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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (42295)8/27/2008 9:36:47 PM
From: Bearcatbob  Respond to of 224729
 
How about we allow more drilling and get new jobs that way?



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (42295)8/27/2008 9:47:14 PM
From: Geoff Altman  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224729
 
If what you say is true then there's even more of a reason not to raise taxes, not to mention starting some huge government healthcare program or any other program.

So what's up with you Kenneth, you see the government as the solution to everything? How much waisted money does it take to prove to you that the government does few, if anything at all, well.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (42295)8/28/2008 5:47:00 AM
From: tonto  Respond to of 224729
 
You do understand that you are only playing with words...

It is not necessary to raise taxes - just let the present law expire in 2010.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (42295)8/28/2008 10:10:32 AM
From: Justin C  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 224729
 
We are in a recession and have been since December of 07.

Kenneth, this isn't true based on today's news:

ap.google.com

Economy rebounds in 2Q, mostly spurred by exports

WASHINGTON (AP) — The economy shifted to a higher gear in the spring, growing at its fastest pace in nearly a year as foreign buyers snapped up U.S. exports and tax rebates spurred shoppers at home.

The Commerce Department reported Thursday that gross domestic product, or GDP, increased at a 3.3 percent annual rate in the April-June quarter. The revised reading was much better than the government's initial estimate of a 1.9 percent pace and exceeded economists' expectations for a 2.7 percent growth rate.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (42295)8/28/2008 11:01:04 AM
From: DizzyG  Respond to of 224729
 
Democrats the Party of Whiners
By Robert Robb
August 27, 2008

The Democrats have titled their party platform, "Renewing America's Promise."

A more honest and accurate title would be, "We'll Give You More."

The soul of the Democratic philosophy is summed up in this passage from the platform: "For decades, Americans have been told to act for ourselves, by ourselves, on our own. Democrats reject this recipe for division and failure."

Note the disdain for the ethos of self-responsibility. Democrats do not merely regard it as insufficient. Instead they regard the idea that people should provide for themselves as divisive.

Even more significantly, Democrats regard self-responsibility as a "recipe for failure." In other words, Democrats don't think the American people are capable of making it on their own.

And so, Democrats have a government program for, well, everything.

Democrats want government to help you raise your kids, send them to college, train and retrain for a job, buy a home and save for retirement.

They must be saving the burial assistance program for 2012.

If you want an abortion or want to keep the child, it doesn't matter.

Democrats want taxpayers to help pay for it either way.

Democrats are also big on "investment" in "infrastructure." Of course, in the Democratic view, everything is infrastructure. It is paradoxical that the Democrats are stressing the need for public investment at the same time that their tax policies will shrink private investment.

Simply put, Democrats say they will give you more than Republicans, and that's why you should vote for them.

According to Democrats, the lot of the average American is lousy. And according to the polls, the electorate is inclined to agree.

Income and wage statistics are tricky. There are problems with inflation measures and averages are affected by the large influx of low-skilled immigration the country has experienced.

However, perspective can be gathered by stepping away and looking at the broader picture.

More Americans own their homes than at any time in history and their homes are larger than at any time in history.
Americans spend less of their income on the basics - food, shelter and clothing - than at any time in history.
We own more stuff that does more stuff than ever before.

Yes, there is a housing slump. But the end result of that will be, if politicians will get out of the way, more people being able to buy more home at lower prices.

There is currently a pinch on wages. But it is caused by inflation. In a 57-page platform that includes such things as supporting refundable tax credits to families on the Northern Mariana Islands, there is not a single word about the importance of a stable currency to protect the buying power and the savings of average Americans.

During the depression, GDP declined by 40 percent and a quarter of the American workforce was out of work. In the 1970s, the economy was contracting about half the time, unemployment reached 9 percent and interest rates and inflation hit double digits.

Those were tough economic times. These aren't, at least not yet.

What is different, and can be tough, is the pace of economic change.

Technology and globalization have sped up the creative destruction that is part of the essence of a market economy.

That has created economic anxiety and the Democrats are playing on that anxiety.

However, Democrats are misleading the American people by claiming that they can make the anxiety go away.
Green manufacturing jobs aren't going to be any less susceptible to foreign competition than current manufacturing jobs. Detroit isn't going to face any less global competition in hybrids or plug-ins than in SUVs and sedans.

And triggering a protectionist trade war is how you get things like the Great Depression.

So, the economic path for most Americans is going to stay more turbulent than in the past. But, according to the Democrats, the American people can't be told to just buck up and learn to live with it. That would be divisive and a recipe for failure.

Phil Gramm got tossed off the John McCain Straight-Talk Express for saying that the country had become a nation of whiners. So, pandering during an election year is certainly a bipartisan affair.

But if Gramm is right and we have become a nation of whiners, the Democrats are certainly the party to represent us.
Robert Robb is a columnist for the Arizona Republic and a RealClearPolitics contributor. Reach him at robert.robb@arizonarepublic.com. Read more of his work at robertrobb.com.


realclearpolitics.com



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (42295)8/28/2008 3:50:11 PM
From: Geoff Altman  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224729
 
As I said before, I question your remark about us being in a recession:

Spring's economic rebound unlikely to last
Thursday August 28, 2:06 pm ET
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
Spring's economic strength unlikely to last given slowdowns overseas, struggling consumers

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The economy pulled out of a dangerous rough patch in the spring, thanks largely to strong exports, but the rebound isn't expected to last. Economic slowdowns overseas could make exports tail off just as Americans are hunkering down after the bracing impact of rebate checks wanes, plunging the country into another rut later this year.
"There will be heavy sledding for the U.S. economy during the next couple of quarters," predicted Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Bank of America's Investment Strategies Group.

Gross domestic product, or GDP, grew at a 3.3 percent annual rate in the April-June quarter, its fastest pace in nearly a year, the Commerce Department reported Thursday. The revised reading was much better than the government's initial estimate of a 1.9 percent pace and exceeded economists' expectations for a 2.7 percent growth rate.

The rebound followed two dismal quarters. The economy actually shrank in the final three months of 2007 and barely budged in the first quarter at a minuscule 0.9 percent pace. The 3.3 percent growth in the spring was the best performance since the third quarter of last year, when the economy was chugging along at a brisk 4.8 percent pace.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said the numbers demonstrated the economy's resilience in the face of many challenges. But she added: "No one is doing a victory dance."

Others agreed that the growth pickup wasn't a sign of better days ahead. Analysts predict the second quarter will represent the high point for economic activity this year.

It's "the last hurrah for this economic cycle," said Martin Regalia, chief economist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has warned the economy will be weak through the rest of 2008. Economists believe growth will slow in the July-September quarter to a pace of around 1.5 percent, and will turn even weaker in the fourth quarter. Some, including Regalia, think the economy might jolt into reverse yet again.

GDP measures the value of all goods and services produced within the U.S. and is the best barometer of the country's economic health.

The economy is the top concern for Americans. Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama favors a second government stimulus package, while Republican rival John McCain supports free trade and other business measures to buttress the economy.

On Wall Street, the GDP report lifted stocks. The Dow Jones industrials were up more than 180 points in afternoon trading.

For months, housing, credit and financial troubles have hammered the economy.

In turn, employers have clamped down on hiring, driving the nation's unemployment rate up to 5.7 percent in July, a four-year high. The Labor Department said Thursday the number of people signing up for jobless benefits declined last week for the third straight period, but remained above 400,000 -- an indicator of a slowing economy.

Health care products maker Abbott Laboratories, telecommunications provider Embarq Corp., and aluminum maker Alcoa Inc. are among the companies recently announcing layoffs.

Employers have cut jobs every month this year and wage growth is trailing inflation. That combination raises concerns about the future of consumer spending, one of the pillars underpinning the economy.

The biggest factor in the GDP's second-quarter rebound was robust sales of U.S. exports. The weaker value of the U.S. dollar has bolstered those sales, which accounted for half of the gain in GDP. Exports grew at a 13.2 percent pace in the spring, more than double the 5.1 percent growth rate logged in the first quarter.

Imports, meanwhile, fell at a 7.6 percent annualized pace in the spring, as economic troubles in the U.S. crimped demand for foreign-made goods. The improved trade picture added 3.1 percentage points to second-quarter GDP, the most since 1980.

Against that backdrop, Japan's Toyota Motor Corp. on Thursday lowered its global sales target for next year, proof that even one of the world's most durable automakers is being hurt by a slowing U.S. market.

"With the rest of the world now slowing and the dollar off its lows, the U.S. will be more reliant on domestic demand in coming quarters," said Nigel Gault, an economist at Global Insight. "Since consumer spending is slowing down and the credit crunch is tightening its grip, it is hard to foresee another quarter with such a robust GDP headline for some time."

U.S. consumers did boost their spending at a 1.7 percent pace in the second quarter, the best showing in nearly a year. Government stimulus checks of up to $600 a person helped energize shoppers. But many expect consumers to pull back in the months ahead as unemployment rises, paychecks shrink and their biggest asset -- their homes -- continue to sink in value.

The effects of the housing market's collapse were evident in the GDP report.

Builders cut back at an annual rate of 15.7 percent in the second quarter-- although that was a better showing than early this year and late last year.

Businesses trimmed spending on equipment and software in the spring. And, they reduced investment in inventories, but not as much as initially estimated by the government. That also contributed to the improved GDP reading.

One measure of corporate profits showed companies losing ground in the second quarter. After-tax profits fell 3.8 percent in the spring, compared with a 1.1 percent increase in the first quarter.

With the economy still coping with fallout from housing and credit problems, the Fed is expected to hold interest rates steady at its next meeting on Sept. 16, and probably through the rest of this year.

AP Writers Christopher S. Rugaber and Ben Feller contributed to this report.

biz.yahoo.com



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (42295)8/28/2008 8:53:41 PM
From: Bearcatbob  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224729
 
Ken, This afternoon I visited one of our supplier shops. They are full up and working overtime and have been for an extended period of time. While there are industries that are truly hurting there are others that are booming.

I am hoping they will be able to meet our delivery requirements.