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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (83981)8/29/2008 2:21:30 AM
From: Oblomov  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
I agree, though I do think there was a restoration of liberty that lasted for about 25 years after the corrupt Grant died.

The story of Clement Vallandigham illustrates Lincoln's tyrannical nature, I think. A sitting Congressman arrested and jailed for simply speaking out against the Civil War, with no habeus corpus rights and no charges against him, who had to escape from his home state of Ohio to Tennessee, and then to Ontario.

History gets written by the victors. Even careful historians swerve into emotional defenses of Lincoln's actions, and blacklist those who take a heterodox view. In his memoir The Gingerbread Race, the Russian emigree Andrei Navrozov remarked that by the 70s, totalitarianism had triumphed in both the US and USSR. The "hard" totalitarianism of the USSR was unworkable, but the "soft" totalitarianism of the US was much more effective and more permanent. It gives the illusion of freedom while disallowing the opinions that would exist in a truly free environment.



To: Broken_Clock who wrote (83981)8/29/2008 9:49:06 AM
From: bullbud  Respond to of 116555
 
"the Lincoln presidency" Oh no. Ask any republican. It's all Clinton's fault. Magically, Clinton era prosperity was due to Regan policies even though Bush Sr. (who was president BEFORE Clinton) had an economy just like the one we're in now....horrible. Foreclosures all over the place. Isn't that amazing how that works? Just keep repeating, it's Clinton's fault over and over. Maybe one day it will actually become true.