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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (43453)	8/31/2008 8:29:03 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 224704

Who's kid is Palin youngest son ? I've seen whack lib threads saying it's her 16 year old daughter, what say you ?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (43453)	8/31/2008 8:47:17 PM
From: TideGlider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224704

Right,...how soon I forgot. Lieberman. At this point we don't know if anyone will be speaking.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (43453)	8/31/2008 10:33:08 PM
From: puborectalis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224704

The people I talk to are more like this person (via Andrew Sullivan): I’ve voted a straight Republican ticket every year of my life since 1975, when I first came of voting age, but I was stunned and horrified by McCain’s choice of Palin. I simply cannot even consider voting for McCain after this choice, which speaks loudly of his own selfishness and fundamental frivolousness. So I was shocked when I turned to the conservative blogs looking for others who shared my dismay and found a celebration going on. They really honestly believe that Palin’s "inexperience" and Obama’s "inexperience" are equivalent. I have had no luck at all in the past 24 hours trying to explain that Obama is quite obviously an impressive man (with whom I disagree on almost every major issue) with extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership. I see nothing in Palin’s record to suggest that she has any such qualities. He is a man who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations about them with other serious, well-informed people; while Palin quite as clearly has done none of those things. He was the president of the Harvard Law Review; she was the point guard on her high school basketball team.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (43453)	8/31/2008 11:34:03 PM
From: puborectalis	Respond to of 224704

money.cnn.com

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (43453)	9/1/2008 6:17:24 AM
From: puborectalis	Respond to of 224704

timesonline.co.uk

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (43453)	9/1/2008 6:24:13 AM
From: puborectalis	Respond to of 224704

Editorial: The problem, of course, is that beyond a few selected issues, Mr. McCain shares Mr. Bush’s values and opinions. He not only champions the war in Iraq as a strategic necessity, but also lags even the administration in his willingness to set a timetable for withdrawal. Having once opposed Mr. Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy, he now endorses them. His drill-here, drill-now energy policies seem cut from Dick Cheney’s cloth. His campaign tactics, too, have been replete with nasty little touches since he turned his operation over to Karl Rove’s acolytes, including sophomoric ads about Mr. Obama’s celebrity, waving the flag of fear by saying Mr. Obama wants to “lose” in Iraq and playing the race card by baselessly accusing Mr. Obama of playing it. Nobody can argue that politics is a gentlemanly game or that Republicans, in particular, have not profited from bare-knuckle tactics. Still, one yearns for the John McCain who used to pride himself on being above this sort of thing, and who was devastated by Mr. Bush’s sleazy tactics in the 2000 primaries. It is hard to imagine the pre-2008 McCain accusing an opponent of unpatriotic behavior the way he has allowed Mr. Obama’s principled opposition to the war to be portrayed. There are other aspects of the old McCain that many voters (and this page) would like to see more of, especially the senator who regularly surprised people with innovative legislation on issues not normally associated with his party or its allies. This pre-2008 John McCain dismayed industrial polluters by proposing to put a price on emissions of global-warming gases like carbon dioxide; irritated his hard-line Senate colleagues by offering (with Edward Kennedy) a bipartisan immigration bill; and angered special interests everywhere by fighting to reform campaign finance and the pork-ridden Army Corps of Engineers. Simply reviving that old John McCain won’t be enough. He has to offer a detailed explanation of what he means by “victory” in Iraq, and why continuing the Bush tax cuts would not further impoverish the country. But reawakening a bit of the old maverick would do more to win the respect of the American middle than gimmicky proposals for a gas-tax holiday or wild charges about Mr. Obama’s patriotism or slavish fealty to the darker aspects of the Bush presidency.