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To: neolib who wrote (264884)9/2/2008 1:54:38 PM
From: the_wheel2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793914
 
You can't just use your "brain" to study this stuff. See below, "Intuition" and common sense don't work in science. You need to use the "scientific method". That means experiments, not common sense. You got to have impartial people like in Tucson at the National Solar Observatory. I'll try to check with them sometime next year or maybe around Christmas.

Now I bolded below something that's probably true, I am a global warming denier and I would like for sunspot activity to overrule manmade global warming. Why? Well, for one, I don't want the world to end due to mankind. Two, I don't want some nutcase liar like Al Gore to cause worldwide panic and screw up everything for everybody. I hear Al Gore screaming like a total nutcase with steam coming out of his ears. I think geez, I wish he would calm down a little so I could hear what he's talking about. What I do hear is he says "The world is coming to an end in less than ten years. We got like two months before the point of "No Return". Now his suggestion is we can solve this by 1) riding bikes, 2) put in CFLs, 3) paying him Carbon Credits. He sounds like a preacher telling you, you going to Hell, but if you tithe him 10%, you might get out of it. Well, does Al Gore want 10% in Carbon Credits? Then he goes jetting off to Bali, to tell those folks the same damn story, world's going to end, got two months left, he needs some money. Two months later, he's showing the same movie and we STILL got two months to go.

Now if you somebody holding up a sign that says "The End Is Near". You supposed to smile and if you feel like it, give him a quarter.

But what if he's a really rich guy, great big house, jetting round the world and getting paid $50,000 per speech like he's some big shot like Bill Clinton or something. I'm supposed to have my utility bills garnished to help him?

Personally, I think he started having mental problems after 2000, when he said he was going to "keep counting" til he "got it right". I felt sorry for him, I thought they were just going to let him sit in a room with the ballots and a nurse could come check on him every once in a while. Instead, I think he grew a Beard and went to Dehra Dun where he got this idea how he could be a successful actor/musician/writer/director/DemiGod. You got to really admire him for that. What I am talking about here is an "Agenda".

I'm fixing to take a little trip myself, I'm going to visit some of these places that's a little behind in environmental work, like China. I have heard it's real bad over there, smog and such.

Now I admit I got an agenda, I don't want the world to end, especially in ten years. If you want to say he was just exaggerating a little bit, and what the models show is 2 degree temperature increase by 2100 and six inches ocean rise by 2050, well, BFD.

But if you say the world is REALLY going to end, dang straight, AND you got a GOOD SCIENTIFIC argument, well, then you got to start thinking about how to counteract that with proven means, like maybe if we build some rocket ships, we can start getting out of Dodge, just like the New Orleans people panicked and left town this weekend, just in case. Well, we could pack up and move to Mars, that planet is not burning up, it's dang cold up there, just ask little Phoenix, it's getting ready to pass away cause winter is coming. That little guy is facing reality.

I got another idea too, remember Krakatoa when it went off we got some global cooling. Well, I'm thinking, we get a whole passel of big nukes, the fusion kind, and pack em all in nice crack where the tectonic plates comes together, and time them all to go off in a microsecond of each other, then just cross your fingers and hope we blow a big enough crack in the crust to get a big cloud to cover the earth. And if you get a good cooling going on, well, that might just last a few million years, and if you did both went to Mars AND cooled down the Earth, well, they you could come back to Earth after a while once the dust settled, and there you go.

I'll give you another little example, me and wife was recently up in a National Park up near the North Rim, and it was filled with Global Warming NutCases, mostly foreigners. The air up there was a little rarefied due to the altitude and you had that nice evergreen smell. Well, every night, they all built these great big fires in the campground with wood they sold at the National Park Store. There wasn't much breeze going and it was still warm at night so there was a PALL a smoky haze all over the campground at night. Well, I was there for one thing to marvel at the sky, but seeing was not the greatest due to the light from their lanterns, the light from the campfires, and the smoke, plus that smoke stink, and I couldn't open the window on the trailer to cool down cause of the stink. So I told my wife we got to move down the road to the National Forest so we can get away from these Global Warming NutCases smoking up the place just so they can have a pretty fire to look at. Before we left I went out to get a look at the night sky after the nutcases had settled down a bit, these are mostly French folks in giant RVs they come over here and rent cause they think gas is cheap at $4/gallon, well there was a real nut case screaming in the middle of the night, I was wondering what was going on too. Well, I'm standing there looking up at the stars with my binocs, and this young couple comes up and I say "How Do, Folks?" And he asks me if it's safe around there? I notice he got a foreign accent, so naturally I ask wheres he from, and he say Holland. Well, that's mighty fine I tell him you Dutch folks are real nice, not like those crazy French I'm thinking which hog the road in those big RVs. These nice Dutch folkss were trying to pitch a tent in the dark and he had this tiny little halogen light that was real bright. And he said every time he accidently shine the light over across this gully, he could hear this German Dude across the way screaming "Turn off that light, or I'm coming over there". Well, I said, not to worry, he probably just been drinking, you know how folks get when they drank, probably just one beer too many. He said no he was screaming "There will be no tomorrow!" and he was wondering if he should pack up and leave? Well, I told him not to worry if any trouble starts come knock on my door and I would straighten things out, like I'm some big macho dude or something. He said he thought that dude was "some sort of Nazi". And I was thinking well, the Dutch do have some record of trouble with these Germans, and I was surprised he said that given it's been a long time and these are young dudes and I thought they got over that.

Well it turns out I found out the next day, this dude was a German and was not drunk but was in a tiny tent across the way, and it was surmised he had forgotten to take his meds.
I found this out from a couple friends I had made, one was a very smart dude who had hitchhiked over there all the way from Oregon, he was a little guy but he had this walking stick, and he said he was lying awake in his tent, and if this German Dude had come out of his little tent, he was going to whack him with that stick. This little dude was down and out, but was a very interesting guy who just happened to have on him a 12 page paper he let me read that showed how Dark Matter was BS and explained what was causing the increased rotation of the galaxies as well as Unifying gravity, you know the GUT. You might laugh, but I read it and it was fairly credible, he said he had shown it to a physics professor who was similarly impressed. The math was a lil bit beyond me I hate to admit.

This other dude was a tall guy and it turns out he had run across "The Ditch" in like 10.5 hours but he had spent like an hour and a half at the bottom on a side trek. And he was a 100 miler who was a teacher and coach at track who had a "Lost Boy" who he convinced to switch from soccer to the 10K cause he was a natural. And he had twisted his ankle 1/2 hour into the trek, going downhill, and just kept on going, so he was lying in his hammock with ice on it. And he was going back across in a couple days and his wife was afraid of heights. I also met this old VietNam vet who was a Paiute raised by his grandmother who had some real nasty tales to tell about the Mormons around there back in the old days. There's a hole in the ground that has natural air conditioning and his grandma told him stay away from that cause that was Mother Earth Breath, so taboo.

Well, after we moved to the National Forest, we met a real nice Mormon with six kids and he had left the wife and the rest at home, he was delivering a trailer which he manufactures.

The Nat. Forest was much better, more room, cooler, you get a lot of heat from the Rim. Well, we had nutcase French there too, but mostly spread out and the wind was blowing away from us so there was this dude making a fire with wet wood smoking up a storm and don't you know these folks like to put lighter fluid on the fire to get it going?

Well, I thought, these Global Warming Nut Cases, you know the National Park is explaining how they are combating the global warming too. Well, I figured, you can't beat em , so why not join them, and I'm not a believer anyway. So I gathered some little twigs and scrounged up some nice size stuff too, and I got it going with one match and a little bit paper the Park service gave out. So we had a pretty dancing fire plus I got to see globular clusters and nebulae galore and the Mormon boy told his father there was a bear coming around at night and his father said he don't lie, but we saw a buffalo a couple days later which we figured was what he saw.

<<<<Sunspots and climate

Incidentally, the Sporer, Maunder, and Dalton minima coincide with the colder periods of the Little Ice Age, which lasted from about 1450 to 1820. More recently it was discovered that the sunspot number during 1861-1989 shows a remarkable parallelism with the simultaneous variation in northern hemisphere mean temperatures (2). There is an even better correlation with the length of the solar cycle, between years of the highest numbers of sunspots. For example, the temperature anomaly was - 0.4 K in 1890 when the cycle was 11.7 years, but + 0.25 K in 1989 when the cycle was 9.8 years. Some critics of the theory of man-induced global warming have seized on this discovery to criticize the greenhouse gas theory.

All this evokes the important question of how sunspots affect the Earth's climate. To answer this question, we need to know how total solar irradiance received by the Earth is affected by sunspot activity.

Intuitively one may assume the that total solar irradiance would decrease as the number of (optically dark) sunspots increased. However direct satellite measurements of irradiance have shown just the opposite to be the case. This means that more sunspots deliver more energy to the atmosphere, so that global temperatures should rise.

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