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To: Chas. who wrote (39493)	9/3/2008 6:55:32 AM
From: elmatador	7 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217847

Your question, is pertinent. It has occupied my mind for most of my life as a person who always tried to think in terms of lifting the poor to a better standard, being myself of a dirty poor origin. After i get the shirt on my back and left the unwashed shirtless masses behind, I need to tell people that I know the a few dirty little secrets. Consider that for an elite, it helps to make the shirtless believe their improvement is beyond reach. It helps to keep the shirtless on their place. Else those shirtless would start having ideas that it is an achievable goal getting shirts on their back. It started with the church that put in the mind of the shirtless that they should be happy with shirtlessness because the kingdom of the heavens was theirs to take once they died. The rich, the church said, would be barred from the kingdon of heavens since they weren’t God fearing and were exploiters of the shirtless. Perfect set up for the rich to enjoy while keeping shirtless at bay. Mind you I study that for 40 years already, since I dropped out school. In modern times this "lets keep the shirtless at bay" has taken many forms. National boundaries for instance. The nation-states turned into entities that wants to have people with shirts to the exclusion of the shirtless. Economic world order, see Bretton Woods, were also molded into entities that protect a few to the detriment of the vast majority. Look carefully, it scales fractally. Look to universities in the US: There is the Ivy League and there's the rest. Look inside the poor countries themselves, there are the entrenched oligarchies, and there is the vast majority of shirtless. This is getting too long. I have to come back to you on the subject of 'what's the solution for a a chicken in every pot and a car in very garage expanded globally.’

To: Chas. who wrote (39493)	9/3/2008 7:07:50 AM
From: arun gera	Respond to of 217847

>the one that will allow every peasant(the other 850 million) to have a pair of designer jeans, cool T shirt, laptop and cell phone.> That is easy. They probably get those right now! Slightly damaged or off spec or used goods. They don't look too different. Also, the imitation rolexes, levis, and others.

To: Chas. who wrote (39493)	9/3/2008 1:01:49 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217847

cellphones, are similar to watches in the 60's, once digital we can buy them per kilo. Cellphones and the networks to chat are ubiquitous even in Africa where I usually work. Compare cellular networks with people sticking poles on the ground and stretching copper wires for people to talk like the US after the civil war. We do networks on the fly nowadays. The scale is gargantuan. It is much easier to produce goods because they are no longer made by artisans. Blue print are produced by computer. Easily to replicated. They are manufactured by automation. An handworkers are available aplenty laptop the Chinese bought IBM operations -now Lenovo- and most of the computer gear is manuafactured there. Same goes for refirgerators and washing machines Jeans cost next nothing. Most of the price is marketing and fancy stores. The Chinese blue jeans are most likely dirty cheap for the locals. ]