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To: Rambi who wrote (82345)	9/5/2008 10:44:42 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541922

I don't think you can win using those standards- and of course almost no one refrains from speaking out of contempt of others. It's human nature. That's a nice standard for Christians- but as Gandhi said "I like your Christ but I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." :-) I have contempt for people who would inject religion in to science. Our science is bad enough in this country without turning it in to religious education. I'm an agnostic, so I can have contempt for people without violating my religion.

To: Rambi who wrote (82345)	9/5/2008 12:21:58 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541922

Considering that the speech was written for her I don't see how she could have declined the remarks they had built in it. Whomever wrote it had a good sense of humor with the lipstick line. That brought down the house. Too bad we have to denigrate one another in any way but someone said if one is sensitive they do not belong in politics.

To: Rambi who wrote (82345)	9/5/2008 3:20:22 PM
From: Stan J. Czernel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541922

As Christians, we are called to be respectful and loving toward our neighbors, honoring their intentions even if we disagree with their plans. We are also called to "put away falsehood" (Eph 4:25) and to refrain from slandering, belittling, or speaking out of contempt for anyone. Great article, with an important point. All a good Christian needs to behave rightly is in the Gospels. These right-wing Christians are far away from any decent notion of Christian behavior. They are cast-the-first-stone Christians - the 'whited Sepulchres' Christ confronted.

To: Rambi who wrote (82345)	9/5/2008 4:57:44 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541922

Rambi, this is a good and thought provoking piece. I went to the link and read the whole thing. I have no interest in defending Palin but want to say this. Christians, yes, are called on to live their everyday lives in the harmony described in those scriptures. But those admonitions pertained to Christians living among other Christians. Ephesians is a letter written by Paul to the congregation of a church he, himself, had founded in Ephesus. It was a thriving Church but reports had reached him of contentions among its members. All the churches that were springing up after Christ's death consisted of converts--people who were turning away from any one of the pagan belief systems of the day as well as the Judaism of the day. So there was constant friction between members of a church as well as between churches themselves as to how to pray, or conduct a service, or baptise, or preach, etc. etc. Groups would splinter off...you can imagine the discord. Most of Paul's ministry and our record of him comes from the letters he wrote to these different congregations. Sometimes he tried to provide the final word on a dispute, but most of the time he called on the members to stick together and keep focused on the big picture of Christ's basic teachings. But Paul, in his leadership capacity of the early church often spoke in ways that were harsh and/or belittling. Sometimes to his own members, sometimes to the gentiles, sometimes to the Jewish hierarchy of the day. So my guess is that Palin would see herself (1) as being in a leadership position and (2) representing the 'true Christians'---fundamentalist and evangelical---against the forces of secular humanism. So from her POV, all tools are at her disposal and she's entitled to call it as she sees it, speak harshly, etc. That's why it's called the Culture WAR. :)