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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (44743)	9/5/2008 2:24:19 PM
From: TideGlider	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224733

That wasn't Clinton's either. That was Newts congress. During the Clinton years, the debt increased by $1.6 Trillion but during the Bush years

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (44743)	9/5/2008 2:39:21 PM
From: Ruffian	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224733

My Son, The Lobbyist: Biden's Son a Well-Paid DC Insider Firm Lobbies Senator Biden Although Son Does Not By EMMA SCHWARTZ Aug. 24, 2008 The son of Barack Obama's vice presidential pick, Sen. Joe Biden, is a top partner at a Washington law firm that has lobbied his father's office, a family tie that could prove embarrassing for a campaign that has positioned itself as fighting lobbyists and special interests in Washington. hunter biden Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., is joined by his family including his... Expand Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., is joined by his family including his sister, Valerie Biden Owens, left, his son, Hunter, his wife Jill and his brother Jimmy as he speaks to supporters during a rally at the UAW Hall in Dubuque, Iowa, on the day of the Iowa caucus Thursday, Jan. 3, 2008, in Dubuque, Iowa. Collapse (AP Photo/Mark Hirsch) In the first six months of this year R. Hunter Biden, a founding partner of Oldaker, Biden & Belair, has worked on accounts that brought it $470,000 from nine clients, according to lobbying disclosure records. Although firm members say Biden, 38, does not lobby his father, this kind of family tie, said Ellen Miller, executive director of the Sunlight Foundation, "raises the potential of a conflict of interest." Related Obama's $2-Million Man: Campaign Guru EXCLUSIVE: FAA Tapes Reveal Drama of Obama Jet Incident More From Brian Ross and the Investigative Team For its part, the Obama campaign said that Sen. Biden had always followed ethics rules. "Hunter Biden has never lobbied Sen. Biden's office or committees, period," David Wade, Obama-Biden spokesperson, wrote in an email response. "He's never worked on a client issue where other members of the firm have lobbied the office. Hunter shares expenses not revenues with his partners, so there's no benefit to him when a partner lobbies. Sen. Biden has been as strong a supporter of ethics reform as the Senate has known, and his office follows all ethics laws right down to the letter." But the connections between the law firm and Biden are very close. For instance, William Oldaker, another named partner and former general counsel at the Federal Election Commission, has been Sen. Biden's campaign treasurer for Congress. Oldaker has advised Biden on campaign issues, first during the Senator's failed 1988 presidential bid. And while Oldaker has said he does not lobby Biden personally, he has spoken with Biden's staff about some clients. abcnews.go.com

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (44743)	9/5/2008 2:47:53 PM
From: tonto	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224733

That is correct Kenneth. Spending increased without reason. It was not a tax issue, more money than ever came in from tax revenues, but spending was and is out of control. During Bush's first 5 years in office, the federal government increased by more than $616 billion dollars. That's an increase in the size of our government by 33 percent in only 5 years. Is spending out of control? Duh! Is Congress or the White House fiscally doing their job today? NO! Both parties are failing us. Undeniable...except by stupid partisans. Justify why we need even a larger federal government today? What was wrong with the one we had in 2000? Yet, you say there is no room for cuts because you do not deal with details. The government growth is outrageous, spending is irresponsible...and you support them. Then change your position and start paying higher taxes instead of posting, "I support Obama because my tax rate is not going up".