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To: Lane3 who wrote (82599)	9/6/2008 9:12:14 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541747

It's a gestault, Karen, not one thing or another. You appear to want a comprehensive plan that will fix everything. There is no such plan. There can be no such plan. People who like Obama think he will approach problems in an intelligent way. Or rather, they/we think he will put together a team that will approach the rather massive problems we have in an intelligent way. You prefer gridlock because you believe that electing him with a Democratic Congress will lead to greater problems, whereas most of us on this board think that the inertia of business as usual will result in greater problems as issues that have been brewing for 30 or more years keep festering and keep getting worse if they are not addressed. We--certainly I--believe that if we wait for a real crisis to hit, it will be too late. Although, frankly, we are already beginning to see the seeds of real crises that could have been alleviated with some intelligent leadership--the FNM/FRE mortgage and bank fiasco is one example. Collapsing bridges and dams, two 500 year floods in 15 years, record droughts and wildfires around the country are also symptoms of deeper problems and the problems aren't that we don't pray hard enough or condone gay sex or speak in tongues (as Palin's Assembly of God church apparently does--it might be nice to get some video of their services to play next to Wright's). But I digress.

To: Lane3 who wrote (82599)	9/7/2008 12:00:35 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541747

>>Can't argue with that. But if there's any relevance of that to the quality of science education of Americans, you'll have to connect the dots. If you can find them. I don't see any indication that Obama could or would do anything to fix that.<< Karen - The post to which you responded about Obama said this: "There are two things that I think will make American strong, being tops in science and tops in global finances. It’s nice to have a few nukes to make people listen but our current aggressive foreign policy is counter productive. Will McCain change that? " You then asked "Will Obama change that?" I took the original question about McCain to refer to foreign policy, and thus responded to that. I think his point was that lately, we have been trying to stay on top by having an aggressive foreign policy, as opposed to concentrating on staying competitive in science and finance. There's no direct connection between science policy and foreign policy, but one can see that there are many indirect links. Certainly, changing our foreign policy would be a good first move, and it wouldn't take long to accomplish that. - Allen