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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (39626)	9/7/2008 10:04:05 AM
From: petekoby	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 219981

Haim You brought a lot of points and opinions which are aIl would be interesting to discuss and argue . I would like to start with one subject at the time. “petekoby - you may know better than me that Odessa is not part of Russia and is very near to the old Romanian borders, and for sure you may be aware how the ethnic Russians look down toward Ukrainians as second class citizen (after all Ukrainians are decedents of Slavic tribes and not Russian decedents of the Varangian Rus), not to mention those living in the regions annexed by force form Poland, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia etc. after WWII” You may not know or maybe you do that Odessa as modern city was started by Ekatherine II after the war with Ottoman Turks in 1776. Before that in ancient times there was Greek village Odess. And during Ottoman times citadel Hadzibey. Odessa development was influenced by French merchants and noblemen. As far as I know there were not any Ukrainians there before. If you would come to Odessa , after Potemkin stairs you would see statue of Dyuk De'Rishelie acclaimimages.com. In very interesting part of recent history of Odessa (November 2007), the statue of Ekatherine II was put back with Count Vorontsov, first provincial governor of Odessa in place of famous statue of sailors from cruiser “Potemkin”. West Ukranian Cosaks came in and wanted to remove statue and put Ostap Bandera ( WWII Ukrainian nationalist which worked with Germans) and there was huge demonstration to keep Ekatherine II statue, where city and people won. It may not tell you as much, but my point is that Odessa, being inside modern Ukraine, is solidly Russian speaking and Russian feeling city today. Maybe after several generations it will change, but not today. I know very well about Romanians, since my mother is the only one who survived Romanians, Ukrainians running getto, and was saved by Red Army. She told me she was treated better by Romanians than Ukrainians but both were very bad. Odessa is very open city and Ukrainians are not second class citizens there today or before USSR collapsed, I felt more like second class citizen there before, that is why I left. I was forced to study 9 years Ukrainian and Ukrainian literature in 1960,even I attended Russian school, and I categorically disagree with notion that Ukrainians were second class citizens when I lived there. Although I was really surprised how thinks changed in that aspect now. Modern Ukraine is in very difficult situation today. Half of country feel attached to Russia, and half of country is very nationalists and hates Russians. It is nothing new, and it creates real challenge to find the common ground. I don’t believe they are there now, I can not predict how it will turn out. Logically if Ukraine wants to avoid potential civil war, they may have to play many instruments and have an orchestra with West and Russia. If you would like we can discuss other subject which you raised one by one.