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To: epicure who wrote (83006)	9/8/2008 11:25:34 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 541624

If it can't be seen and can't be proved, then yes, for me it is WAY less real- to the point of not being real Since you're a biologist, a person of science, I know you know there are many invisible entities that nevertheless are accepted as real. By real, I mean having a objective reality, not a subjective one. Electricity is one. It can't be seen and its very definition is in terms of things that can't be seen...protons and atoms, I think. The most inscrutable is probably gravity. Gravity is loosely defined as a force that pulls one body of matter toward another, but after hundreds of years of effort no one has discovered what causes it. Nevertheless everyone takes for granted the reality of gravity. Then if one gets off into quantum physics or string theory, you discover that reality may not be objective after all, i.e. a quantum particle is not a particle if no one observes it. When it is observed, the particle behave in such a way as to suggest that the consciousness of the observer may be impacting it. Couple this with the 'parallel universes' of amplitude quantum mechanics and the ten spatial dimensions of string theory, and it becomes much easier to entertain the reality of a force in nature called God. There are many forces in nature or entities in the universe that are invisible and almost undefinable but we know they exist by what they do. Or they have an inferred existence based on the behavior of something else that is unrelated and extraneous to them, as in gravity. God falls in here somewhere, too, I think. Some people do think that science and religion are incompatible which is a shame. I think quite the opposite and have read that there is a growing number of scientists that think the same way