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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (45887)9/10/2008 8:35:10 PM
From: TideGlider  Respond to of 224749
 
On Sarah Palin, book banning and cannibalism
Thu, 09/04/2008 - 17:09 — Ben
Update (Friday, Sept. 5) The list of books Palin wanted to ban that Googlers seek doesn't exist. The link below points to a comment in a thread at Librarian.net. But as several commenters have pointed out there and elsewhere, the list includes books -- such as the Harry Potter series -- published after Palin allegedly sought to have the books removed. Unless Palin can manipulate the laws of space and time, there's nothing really to get worked up about. The bottom line, according to the stories so far published in the New York Times, Time and elsewhere, is that Palin didn't ban anything. For some, the absence of evidence is no reason to exonerate the accused from charges of being a "Jesus-Powered ChristoNazi." For the sane, however, there are other issues to pursue. I will post more if concrete information becomes available.

Last night, our friend the Big Klosowski tweeted: "Sarah Palin supports the banning of books. That's very forward thinking of her. Small town and closed minded. Great." At the time I thought, What's that about? Then I thought, Gee, I should look into that. Then I was distracted by something shiny. Then a few minutes ago, I found this Time magazine piece on Palin's "rough record."

Here's the relevant passage:

(Former Wasilla Mayor John) Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker (nee Eamons), couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

Hmmm. Disturbing if true, but not especially enlightening. The passage raises more questions than it answers. "Banning" is a loaded term. What books did Palin want to ban and why? (Here's a list, which is totally unconfirmed completely bogus.) The story refers to "some voters" who "thought (the books) had inappropriate language"? Which voters? What was the language? "Inappropriate" for whom? Kids under the age of 10? 12? 18? What? The source of the anecdote, Stein, is a former Palin ally turned opponent. We don't really know whether the librarian was "aghast" or why. We don't know the full context of Palin's "threat" to fire the librarian.

(Click on "Read more" down below the row of icons at the bottom of this post.)

Now, I suppose at this point I need to rehearse all of the standard caveats and disclosures. When it comes to the First Amendment, I'm an extreme libertarian. I don't like book banning or censorship. I don't like political meddling in public libraries. I think parents need to take responsibility for monitoring the media their kids consume, and it isn't government's job to be play book cop. OK? OK.

But I still don't know if Sarah Palin is a book banner. Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. The Time story simply isn't helpful. What else is out there? Well, there's this story from the Boston Herald. Here's the crux: "Palin herself, questioned at the time, called her inquiries rhetorical and simply part of a policy discussion with a department head 'about understanding and following administration agendas; according to the Frontiersman article." Again, this is awfully vague. But then there's this: "Stein had hired many of the department heads. Emmons ... had publicly supported him against Palin."

Do you see the problem here? We have a Palin opponent giving an account about another Palin opponent, who cannot confirm or deny the story, and we have no details, no specific policy proposals, no actual books -- as far as I know -- pulled from the library shelves at Palin's behest. All we have is a hint of censorious intent. Which is, evidently, good enough for People for the American Way:

Time Magazine today reports that Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin attempted to ban books from her local library as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, and then threatened to fire the librarian who stood up to her for not giving “full support” to the mayor. People For the American Way president Kathryn Kolbert issued the following statement:

“People can disagree about a lot of things, but censorship is completely beyond the pale. Our democracy was founded on the belief that government shouldn’t tell people what kinds of books to read or what kind of beliefs to hold. No one with that kind of history should be anywhere near the White House. Sarah Palin needs to clarify her stance on freedom of speech immediately, and John McCain needs to explain why he chose a running mate with so little regard for the Constitution.”

I love that last clause. Maybe Kathryn Kolbert needs to explain why her organization favors cannibalism. I have no proof, of course, that members of People for the American Way are cannibals. But if I tried hard enough, I might be able to find a cannibal who's given money to Norman Lear's silly group. Just like Sarah Palin might favor pulling certain books off of library shelves. Keeping in the spirit of this week's press coverage, I'm prepared to assert, absent rock solid evidence -- or any evidence at all -- nobody can say for certain. Hey, I'm just asking questions. I'm sure Roger Simon would approve.

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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (45887)9/10/2008 10:13:41 PM
From: puborectalis  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224749
 
"As a female Republican (disillusioned one at that), I can’t believe women are supporting McCain primarily due to his pick of Palin. What is everyone thinking? We have heard absolutely nothing from her on the issues that will affect each and everyone one of us. All I hear is her groundhog day speeches. The woman has not specifically stated what her views are on foreign policy issues/challenges, the economy, social security, health care, etc. Her speeches have been scripted. "One of McCain’s advisor’s today stated she MAY speak to the media when and IF she is comfortable. Huh?

Come on ladies, she is a token female. McCain wanted the presidency so bad he figured we would all be stupid enough to vote for him just because he chose a female running mate. I would like to know where she stands on health care and what specific actions she will take to ensure Americans have access to care. Same holds true on the economic crisis, current foreign issues and challenges we Americans are facing. I am tired of her being McCain’s parrot! Ladies, please don’t let this inexperienced individual be the first history maker for our gender. If we blow it now, it will be years before we have another opportunity to have a woman in the first or second highest office in the Country.

With a heartbeat away from the presidency, and the fact we know little about her, would you trust her with that 3 a.m. phone call?"



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (45887)9/10/2008 10:26:53 PM
From: puborectalis  Respond to of 224749
 
Obama Blasts McCain on Immigration Reform

September 10, 2008 9:13 PM

ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports: Speaking before the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute Gala, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., blasted Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., for not including comprehensive immigration reform in his party’s platform.

“And when it came time to write his party’s platform, comprehensive reform never made it in,” Obama said before the institution’s annual gala in Washington, D.C. “So, you’ve got to ask yourself: if Sen. McCain won’t stand up to opponents of reform at his own convention, how can you trust him to stand up for change in Washington?”

Obama said that he admired it when McCain had bucked his party on immigration reform in the past, but said that was a stance McCain walked away from when running for president.

“When he was running for his party’s nomination, he abandoned his stance, and said he wouldn’t even support his own legislation if it came up for a vote,” Obama said to the audience. “Well, I don’t know about you, but I think it’s time for a president who won’t walk away from comprehensive immigration reform when it becomes politically unpopular.”

Wooing the key demographic, Obama told the crowd that he’s not taking one single Hispanic vote for granted this election, referencing John Kerry’s close loss in New Mexico in 2004.

“I need you. I need you to win,” Obama said in closing.

Obama will take his campaign west next week -- campaigning in Colorado on Monday.