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To: Katelew who wrote (83615)	9/11/2008 11:46:30 AM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 541933

I'm still surprised it hit such a nerve with other very bright people on the thread. You assert that kids from non-church-going homes are more likely to behave badly. You figure that it's common knowledge and are surprised when it is challenged. Perhaps some "bright people on the thread" are familiar with this logical fallacy: "Fallacious appeals to consensus often depend on prejudice and stereotypes: everybody knows that people are sadists. Everybody knows that German eat Sauerkraut. " Yes, and everybody knows that non-churched kids... See the pattern? That quote is from a page on fallacies of irrelevance. faculty.unlv.edu

To: Katelew who wrote (83615)	9/11/2008 3:12:49 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541933

Um It didn't offend me. I just think you've fallen in to a logical black hole. If I saw a few black kids, thoughout my experience, who didn't do well, I wouldn't be tempted to generalize about all black people, or if I was tempted to generalize, I'd try to remind myself that I was verging in to the land of prejudice. Perhaps others are offended, I haven't had time to read all the posts- but there is no statistical evidence I have seen for your particular point of view. I offered some for mine- it also happens to agree with my experience. I know, it's your experience that you share with us- but that is limited, and your observations are probably quite incomplete. I mean do you really know the religious habit of every child you observe? No. You couldn't. Just because people disagree with your observation, and do so in come cases with statistical data, do not assume they are hostile to you personally, or offended. They may just not agree with you. I don't mind that you think the way you do, or that you really believe it, I just suspect you are wrong about what causes disruptive behavior- based on statistics and studies on child behavior I have read, and based on what I've seen (which seems to dovetail rather neatly with what social scientists and behavioral scientists find.)