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To: biotech_bull who wrote (84780)	9/16/2008 9:26:17 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541119

IMHO, it is a great misconception to say that QM means things are unknowable. We can know the predictions and outcomes of QM processes with great precision, its just that the language and metrics are statistical. The utility of faith is that it greatly assists us through our darkest hours, when the evidence says the outcome is hopeless, but we keep fighting for the goal. Look at the great stories and the great movies that people cherish. A few, a very few, celebrate rationality and logic. The vast bulk of them are about two other traits: Love and Faith, or in many cases, the two together. IMO, when you try to provide a rational connection for faith, you are in fact undermining it. When you have knowledge and facts lined up, it is not faith that motivates you, it is simply understanding, or perhaps prudence, or expediency, or some other such word that covers the situation.

To: biotech_bull who wrote (84780)	9/16/2008 9:40:29 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541119

"they will not add up if one used conventional science" They will not add up if we use conventional science as we understand it today. I'm not saying everything is knowable- if you think I said that, you misread my post, but you foreclosed the option of knowing- in other words, using your belief you say it will never be known. While that's possible, I don't see how one can make such a statement absolutely. One can look down on faith for foreclosing things, as well as for believing in things that aren't there. FWIW I have no faith in what isn't demonstrably there, no do I have faith in what cannot be found. I leave open the possibilities. Not that I look down on all faith. I'm quite satisfied with the Buddhists, who don't have any conflict in their cosmology with science (at least as the Dalai Lama articulates the faith).