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To: gamesmistress who wrote (269949)	9/23/2008 6:02:39 PM
From: Bearcatbob	4 Recommendations Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 793866

"Holy cow. Put Biden's two remarks side by side and you have one KILLER McCain ad. The Obama people are lying through their teeth - telling coal people they're for clean coal and environmentalists we ARE NOT for clean coal. " My memory of the Kentucky primary was that Obama was all for coal - with CO2 capture and sequestration. That means he is for it - but effectively against it. He is for nuclear power - when the disposal issue is resolved - for it - but effectively against it. The dems are for off shore drilling - where there is no oil - for it - but effectively against it. Someone must call these guys on this huge strategy of deception. Bob

To: gamesmistress who wrote (269949)	9/23/2008 7:40:39 PM
From: RinConRon	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793866

A couple of weeks ago Limbaugh said "Give Biden an open microphone and he gives himself a colonoscopy."

To: gamesmistress who wrote (269949)	9/24/2008 9:44:51 AM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 793866

7500 miners in PA, 5K+ in VA. Figure Obama has already written off KY and WV, but he is certainly hoping to get PA and VA. Those numbers above understate the potential coal related votes. Figure the average miner has a wife or exwife - another vote. If he's younger, his folks are living and retired and if he's older and his folks are dead, he likely has kids old enough to vote - either way two more votes per miner. Figure each miner has at least 3 immediate family members that are potential voters. Then there are the people in little food marts in coal country that sell miners sandwiches and cokes going to work and gas and beer leaving work. The people in coal towns who work in banks and grocery stores and cash miners paychecks every Saturday know their jobs are coal related. The hospital folks and doctor/dentist office folks in coal towns are well attuned to the health policies of the local mining company - they see the insurance cards and file the claims. The local car and truck sales people know where their customers make their money. Then there are people who work for companies like Joy Mining Manufacturing of Warrendale PA. joy.com "Worlds leading manufacturer of underground mining machinery" - 4500 employees though that is the worldwide count. There are lots other smaller companies supplying the industry too. What about the people who work at coal power plants - there are about 600 such plants in the US, making a little over half our power. Where does Appalachian coal go? A lot to states like Ohio, MI, IN. Where does WY Powder River basin coal go? Been awhile since I've been involved in that business, but some used to go to Metropolis IL for shipping by barge up the OH to plants in OH. Other went to states like WI, IA, NB, KS. There have got to be thousands of coal power plant employees out there. And how many people work for railroads, barge companies that ship coal? I'd say people who spend their working days looking at rail cars filled with coal or who go to work at a power plant with a big ass pile of coal beside it, recognize their job is coal related. So there are a lot more potential voters involved in this industry than just the miners themselves. There are tens of thousands of voters in states like PA and VA and OH that are directly and closely connected to the coal industry. Way to go, Joe.