To: dybdahl who wrote (11887 ) 9/27/2008 12:37:13 PM From: IngotWeTrust 15 Recommendations Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71454 Again, Vi does not require my defending her. However, while you claim math and science credentials, you appear to be lacking in common courtesy. Stayed home that day? I don't know how they do things in Norway or Denmark or whereever the hell it is you are from, but, you are behaving in a rude manner toward an individual who has been careful but candid, sharing her multi-geographical residential experiences, using her obviously formally educated skills, and living her journey through this quagmire, in openness and candor here on these boards. To put it simply, the following quote from you just about says it all: Many people on this board switch between saying "We're doomed" and "In reality, it won't go that bad". This includes Vi. In our culture, it is RUDE to speak of someone as if they are not in the room. I suspect, since our own cultural roots are of European influences, your behavior is also considered RUDE in your European culture.Vi most definitely is IN this room. You are not only behaving in a totally unacceptable rude manner, you are particularly EUROPEAN rude style which trumps about anything else issuing from your keyboard. And YOU, personally are an outsider (non-USA) t'boot, behaving arrogantly. You don't feel our pain, our anger, our betrayal, our helplessness at the exposed underbelly experience of failed capitalism and total lack of hubris of both perps and overseers! You are not dealing with embarrassing, paralizing govt, corporate, and individual greed and lack of proper oversight and wealth confiscation in gargantuan portions. Nor do you feel our pain, anger, betrayal, and rampant political helplessness at we are experiencing at our political REPUBLIC (not democratic) process about to re-assign in 4 weeks. Science is fine. I'm a scientist. Math is fine. I can hold my own in that discipline as well.Rude is NOT fine! If you want to tout your own virtues and offer your own solutions, perhaps you should consider starting your own thread? Perhaps title it: "We Europeans Science, Math, and IT professionals have all the answers, America." That should bring posters in droves, yes? Your strength is your weakness in this matter, as well as your personal blindspot. Science did not get us into the predicament in which we are currently ensnared. The abuse of lopsided quant math most assuredly contributed mightily to this quagmire. Last science lab I took in the universities many years ago, greed wasn't able to be measured, weighed, heated, parsed nor IT analyzed. Nor could producing any math equation generate one ounce of compassion, discipline or even guideline for human behavior.Your two claimed trainings/disciplines and their observable on this thread via your posts "translated strengths into the IT applications world from which spring most of your historical observations" and most assuredly contribute negatively it would appear producing a combination of amazement and arrogance culminating in "instructive criticisms." To restate: Your math and your science education totally fail you in this particular matter. It has now demonstrated itself in ARROGANT, rude behavior and response to Vi, and I for one am calling you on it.