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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (49206)9/28/2008 10:10:41 AM
From: MJ2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224748
 
You are barking up the wrong tree with your classism----get a new line.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (49206)9/28/2008 10:28:35 AM
From: lorne2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224748
 
ken..."It's not just that McCain didn't mention the middle class, he also didn't mention the problems facing working class people.".....

Ya mean like in India where there are classes of people some better than others?

So is hussein obama and the democrats now going to start classing people?

What is a " middle class person " would they include illegal immigrants?

What is a working class person? would they be above or below the middle class person?

Is a rich politician and thief above the middle class and working class Americans?

Will there be a different class for Americans who don't work at all?

How about disabled Americans, which class should they be in?

Could you get hussein obama to clarify this for the little people?



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (49206)9/28/2008 11:41:20 AM
From: Thomas A Watson1 Recommendation  Respond to of 224748
 
dear Kenneth E. no class Phillipps, All men are created equal and some sink morally to the point where they have no class, they libel other by name using racially hate inciting accusations.
It may take some 20 years to learn the rhetoric of their masters
And today we witness who they are.
And today we witness who they are.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (49206)9/28/2008 2:03:34 PM
From: Hope Praytochange1 Recommendation  Respond to of 224748
 
ALBANY — Former Gov. Eliot Spitzer was reading his newspaper on a recent Thursday morning when he was jolted by a comment made by his successor, David A. Paterson.

In the 22nd paragraph of a New York Times article on Aug. 21, Mr. Paterson said that aides to Mr. Spitzer had lacked experience in Albany, and added that the Spitzer administration’s management approach sometimes “just didn’t work.”

Mr. Spitzer grew upset, according to a senior aide to Mr. Paterson and another official. He picked up the phone, reached a Paterson aide, demanded a public apology from the governor and “issued threats, veiled and unveiled” against Mr. Paterson, said the aide, who insisted on anonymity because he did not want to anger either man.

No public apology was offered; Mr. Spitzer and Mr. Paterson have not spoken since June.

Six months have passed since Mr. Spitzer’s breathtakingly quick exodus from office after being implicated as a patron of a prostitution ring. One day, Eliot Laurence Spitzer was a national figure some saw destined for the White House; the next he was a target of ridicule.

Now, in interviews with friends and former aides, and through e-mail messages obtained through a Freedom of Information request by The New York Times, a picture emerges of Mr. Spitzer trying to focus on the future and his family, with the threat of criminal charges still hanging over him. He is working at his father’s real estate firm, and has discussed with friends whether to undertake charity, environmental or free legal work to try to rehabilitate his image.

But despite his efforts to move forward, Mr. Spitzer can be moved by flashes of anger, especially when it comes to what he views as his achievements and legacy, and he has faced an adjustment as he confronts life without the power he once wielded.

In June, he traveled with his three daughters and his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer, to Southeast Asia, where the family could enjoy time together far from New York and the prying media. But while the family was in Laos, news broke that the state’s highest court had thrown out most of the charges in the civil case that Mr. Spitzer, as state attorney general, had brought against Richard A. Grasso, the former chairman of the New York Stock Exchange, over Mr. Grasso’s $139.5 million compensation package.

Mr. Spitzer called a reporter back in New York — though it was the middle of the night there, given the time difference — to criticize the ruling and suggest people to call who would back up his view.

On Sept. 18, approached by a reporter outside his father’s Fifth Avenue office, he lamented the federal rescue of American International Group, the giant insurer, and defended the aggressive steps he had taken to force the ouster of its chairman, Maurice R. Greenberg, in 2005 amid an accounting scandal.

He said his political demise shouldn’t diminish his achievements. “I committed my sins and I’ve paid for them,” he said. Then he added, referring to A.I.G.: “But I was right.”

Asked how he was doing, he shrugged and responded, with resignation and a degree of joylessness: “Making money is making money,” before heading inside the building. He declined to speak further.

Mr. Spitzer’s daily routine, once scrutinized by a roving pack of reporters, aides and cameras, has taken on a more quotidian feel. He sometimes jogs in Central Park before work, buys his own cup of coffee, drops his daughters at the school bus and hails his own cab to the Fifth Avenue office building that houses his family’s real estate business.

The glare of the cameras has been replaced with fleeting moments of recognition in an Upper East Side neighborhood filled with high-profile people. Sometimes people ask for his autograph or offer him supportive words or smiles. Construction workers snicker at him and cabdrivers take pictures of him on their cellphones.

It wasn’t like this when the news first broke in March. Then there were gestures of comfort from the powerful inhabitants of Mr. Spitzer’s world. Former Vice President Al Gore reached out to him, as did Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, according to e-mail records. (After he resigned from office, Mr. Spitzer’s e-mail communications with public officials were no longer considered privileged, and thus were subject to public records requests.)

Ethel Kennedy, widow of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, relayed to the governor a quotation to lift his spirits.

“Our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall,” Mrs. Kennedy wrote, adding: “See you back on top.”

Mr. Spitzer was so moved by the words that when he resigned a few days later, he used them in his short resignation speech.

The same week, Mr. Spitzer sent an e-mail message to a top aide describing the personal turmoil he had brought to his family. “We are surviving,” he wrote. “Silda has tough moments. My job now is to take care of her. I have done more than my share of damage.”

Assemblyman Mark Weprin, a Queens Democrat who has been close to the Spitzers, recalls the former governor telling him at the time: “It’s been horrible living a Greek tragedy.” He added: “But what am I’m going to do?”

At 49, Mr. Spitzer is plotting a second act, though his life will be in limbo until his legal troubles are resolved. Over the last two months, four of those charged in the prostitution ring have pleaded guilty, including a booking agent who, as part of her plea deal, has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors.

Prosecutors have not signaled whether they will charge the former governor. He has hired a criminal defense lawyer, Michele Hirshman of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison, his former top deputy in the attorney general’s office, to represent him, and a crisis communications firm to handle media inquiries.

He is also expected to appear before the state’s Commission on Public Integrity, which is hearing an appeal from a former aide who the commission has said improperly used the State Police to gather damaging information about the Senate Republican leader at the time, Joseph L. Bruno. The aide, Darren Dopp, has suggested that Mr. Spitzer was more involved in the effort to undermine Mr. Bruno than he has acknowledged.

One friend, who asked to speak anonymously because he did not want to be seen as violating Mr. Spitzer’s confidences, said: “I think that he’ll sort of be in a holding pattern for a while doing his father’s real estate stuff while the legal stuff gets sorted out. It may take years for it to get fully sorted out.”

He has become highly involved in running the real estate businesses controlled by his ailing father, Bernard Spitzer, 84. They include several high-rise apartment buildings on the East Side of Manhattan, one of them the 57-story Corinthian condominiums, with more than 800 units.

His close friends remain in touch and have encouraged him to rehabilitate himself through some charitable work, though he is more focused for the moment on building on his father’s already estimable wealth.

“I told him that I think, in the end, this incident will be a footnote to a great life lived greatly, and that he still has the ability to make enormous contributions,” said Alan M. Dershowitz, the Harvard law professor, who once counted Mr. Spitzer as a student and now counts him as a friend. “One of his goals has to be to make this a footnote in his obituary, and not make it the lead.”

Mr. Dershowitz added that the former governor was “working every day, he’s not goofing off, he’s not pitying himself.”

“He said to me he had the best job in the world and he did something stupid that made him give it up, but he’s not the kind of person that obsesses about the past,” he said.

Friends said Mr. Spitzer considered starting a real estate investment fund, though it does not appear those discussions went far. The Spitzer real estate group has not been particularly active in some time, in part because of the advancing age of his father, who has Parkinson’s disease. Bernard Spitzer was hospitalized for Parkinson’s after his son’s resignation in March, but has since been seen in public in much improved condition.

In recent weeks, the Spitzers’ business created two new limited liability companies, Spitzer Holdings and Spitzer Realty. Jeffrey A. Moerdler, the lawyer of record on the filings, declined to discuss them.

There have been some moments of happiness in recent months. Mr. Spitzer has been devoted to his daughters, and after his eldest, Elyssa, was accepted into three top-flight colleges, Harvard, Princeton and Williams, he e-mailed a former aide and urged her to “have a drink with an umbrella for us.”

Even though Mr. Spitzer and Mr. Paterson were running mates in 2006 and partners in the administration, Mr. Spitzer does not speak regularly to his successor. Mr. Paterson, in a recent interview, said the last time he spoke to the former governor was while training in June for the Utica Boilermaker, a popular 15-kilometer road race.

“He called to wish me luck,” Mr. Paterson recalled. He added that Mr. Spitzer, who has also run the Boilermaker, warned him that the race included “a lot of hills,” then cracked: “Well, maybe he was telling me about being governor.”

Most of the former governor’s friends were reluctant to speak about the state of the Spitzers’ marriage — a grim-looking Ms. Wall Spitzer remains one of the most searing images of Mr. Spitzer’s brief appearances after the story broke.

Herbert E. Nass, a Manhattan lawyer and friend of Mr. Spitzer’s since they ran against each other for president of their seventh-grade class at Horace Mann, said the former governor was contrite.

“He’s remorseful, and I think he’s focused on his wife and his kids,” Mr. Nass said. “He walks home from work and tells me he’s gotten positive — he hasn’t gotten a lot of negative stuff out in public — and he’s focused on his family.”

His friends say they do not have a deep understanding of the couple’s bond, but say that it appears intact. Ms. Wall Spitzer has emerged more publicly in recent weeks, writing an appeal that was highlighted on a Fortune magazine Web site for the charity she founded, “Children for Children.”

“I think the marriage is going to stick together, but whether it does long term, who knows?” said Mr. Weprin. “Who knows about any marriage? But it survived the bumpiest ride it could.”

Winter Miller contributed reporting.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (49206)9/28/2008 2:59:39 PM
From: tonto3 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224748
 
This coming from a guy that laughs when the market goes down and retirement must be put off? You are one strange man...

He needs to tell people he feels their pain.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (49206)9/28/2008 3:41:07 PM
From: puborectalis2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224748
 
Obama Bested McCain 48%-34% in 1st Election Debate, Poll Shows

By Nadine Elsibai

Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Viewers of the first presidential debate said Barack Obama did the better job during the event two nights ago, with 48 percent choosing the Democratic candidate compared with 34 percent for his Republican rival John McCain, according to a USA Today/Gallup poll.

The nationwide telephone poll, conducted Sept. 27, showed results similar to surveys by CNN/Opinion Research Corp. and CBS News/Knowledge Networks. The USA Today poll included 701 adults who said they watched the debate. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

The CNN telephone poll of 524 adults who watched the debate found 51 percent said Obama did the best job, while 38 percent said McCain did. The CBS online poll of 483 uncommitted voters found 39 percent said Obama won, 24 percent said McCain did, and 37 percent said it was a tie.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (49206)9/28/2008 3:43:12 PM
From: puborectalis3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224748
 
Some on the right are joining a chorus of criticism over Sarah Palin
John McCain's running mate and his sharp reactions to the nation's economic crisis have led several prominent conservative columnists to slam the senator as reckless and strident.
By James Rainey
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

10:48 PM PDT, September 27, 2008

While John McCain and his aides have railed against the "liberal mainstream media" in recent weeks, some of the most searing attacks against the Republican presidential nominee have come from conservative intellectuals.

McCain's surprise vice presidential pick, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and his sharp reactions to the continuing economic storm have led several prominent columnists on the right to slam the Arizona senator as more reckless than bold, more strident than forceful.

Those opinion leaders, in turn, have triggered a backlash from other commentators, who have dubbed the critics elitists and risen to the defense of a woman they see as the Republican Party's new populist star.

The spirited debate may have reached its apogee last week, withGeorge F. Will issuing McCain a harsh dressing-down.

"Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high," Will began his syndicated column, which is carried in more than 450 newspapers. "It is not Barack Obama."

The conservative elder accused McCain of "characteristically substituting vehemence for coherence" and of attacking his Democratic rival as a big spender, rather than mounting a philosophical challenge to the largest government bailout of business in American history.

Will mocked the Republican standard-bearer as a veritable Queen of Hearts (a la "Alice in Wonderland") for demanding the head of Christopher Cox, a former Republican congressman who is chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.

The Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist argued that such impulsiveness sows doubts about McCain's ability to apply "calm reflection and clear principles" to important decisions. He ended his broadside by all but declaring McCain unfit for the Oval Office.

"It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency," Will wrote. "It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?"

The dismay expressed by Will and other columnists, including David Brooks of the New York Times, who at times is a McCain cheerleader, arises primarily over McCain's selection of Palin.

After the 2000 presidential race, Brooks acknowledged that he was even "more worshipful" of McCain than a generally enamored press corps. But in this election cycle, he acknowledged admiration for Obama, before souring somewhat.

He added his voice this month to the chorus of those concerned about Palin's inexperience.

Palin, Brooks argued, "has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."

Brooks, a former senior editor of the Weekly Standard, wrote that eight years of "inept" governance by Bush has helped persuade him of the ineffectiveness of a president who makes decisions on gut and instinct.

Writing in the National Review on Friday, Kathleen Parker expressed a similar view but with much less restraint. She said Palin's recent television interviews amounted to content-light "filibusters." The syndicated columnist suggested that the governor -- "Who Is Clearly Out of Her League" -- should quit the Republican ticket to "save McCain, her party, and the country she loves."

Voters typically focus almost exclusively on the presidential candidates, and even weak vice presidential nominees seldom drag down a national ticket.

But David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, is among conservatives who have worried that the Palin pick weakens one of McCain's best arguments: that he has superior experience and is better prepared to protect America.

"How serious can [McCain] be," Frum wrote even before Palin appeared at the GOP convention, "if he would place such a neophyte second in line to the presidency?"

Charles Krauthammer and Ross Douthat, two other conservative stalwarts, have also doubted Palin's readiness to lead.

But others in the conservative movement have dismissed the anti-Palin sentiment as elitism, arguing that presidents like Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan were also underestimated because they had modest educational backgrounds.

Stephen F. Hayward took up that argument last week in the Weekly Standard, arguing that the Founding Fathers had envisioned "regular citizens" rising to leadership, in part because they possessed a "self-knowledge" and core beliefs that made them natural leaders.

"Part of what bothers the establishment about Palin is her seeming insouciance toward public office," wrote Hayward, who is a resident scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

"Her success with voters, and in national office, would be an affront and a reproach to establishment self-importance."

Laura Ingraham previously contended that some Republicans who had abundant experience before taking the White House -- Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon and George W. Bush -- ended up with troubled presidencies.

The radio and television personality recently chastised Brooks and the other "elitists," writing that "the people (taken as a whole) are often wiser and more prudent than the elites."

Ingraham said it was too soon to assess Palin's political skills but called her the "most promising" populist figure in the Republican Party since Reagan.