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Politics : Inhalin' with Palin !! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: IRWIN JAMES FRANKEL who wrote (175)	9/29/2008 2:16:04 PM
From: Arthur Radley	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 358

IJ, If for one moment should you stop draining the last ounce of dignity from a father or mother that can't pay for food on the table and placing a roof over their kids head without your ilk collecting the bankruptcy funds for the moneychangers, as they rape and pillage our citizens in ways that haven't been seen since the Great Depression......you then would know that by you merely changing the issue it doesn't change what Obama said during the debate. The issue raised was whether we should engage in talks with foreign tyrants...the issue was to talk with these tyrants! You do remember George Bush refusing to do such and you see where that got us...and now he is scrambling to do the very thing he refused in the past....come on IJ, pay attention and don't be so concerned with collecting your 'blood' money... Read the transcript....what did Obama say about the issue? What were Obama's final words and to what person did that apply? McCain changed the issue, but you can't deny that Kissinger advocated NEGOTIATIONS and that is what Obama said. OBAMA: So let's talk about this. First of all, Ahmadinejad is not the most powerful person in Iran. So he may not be the right person to talk to. But I reserve the right, as president of the United States to meet with anybody at a time and place of my choosing if I think it's going to keep America safe. And I'm glad that Senator McCain brought up the history, the bipartisan history of us engaging in direct diplomacy. Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who's one of his advisers, who, along with five recent secretaries of state, just said that we should meet with Iran -- guess what -- without precondition. This is one of your own advisers. Now, understand what this means "without preconditions." It doesn't mean that you invite them over for tea one day. What it means is that we don't do what we've been doing, which is to say, "Until you agree to do exactly what we say, we won't have direct contacts with you." There's a difference between preconditions and preparation. Of course we've got to do preparations, starting with low-level diplomatic talks, and it may not work, because Iran is a rogue regime. But I will point out that I was called naive when I suggested that we need to look at exploring contacts with Iran. And you know what? President Bush recently sent a senior ambassador, Bill Burns, to participate in talks with the Europeans around the issue of nuclear weapons. Again, it may not work, but if it doesn't work, then we have strengthened our ability to form alliances to impose the tough sanctions that Senator McCain just mentioned. And when we haven't done it, as in North Korea -- let me just take one more example -- in North Korea, we cut off talks. They're a member of the axis of evil. We can't deal with them. And you know what happened? They went -- they quadrupled their nuclear capacity. They tested a nuke. They tested missiles. They pulled out of the nonproliferation agreement. And they sent nuclear secrets, potentially, to countries like Syria. When we re-engaged -- because, again, the Bush administration reversed course on this -- then we have at least made some progress, although right now, because of the problems in North Korea, we are seeing it on shaky ground. And -- and I just -- so I just have to make this general point that the Bush administration, some of Senator McCain's own advisers all think this is important, and Senator McCain appears resistant. He even said the other day that he would not meet potentially with the prime minister of Spain, because he -- you know, he wasn't sure whether they were aligned with us. I mean, Spain? Spain is a NATO ally. MCCAIN: Of course. OBAMA: If we can't meet with our friends, I don't know how we're going to lead the world in terms of dealing with critical issues like terrorism. MCCAIN: I'm not going to set the White House visitors schedule before I'm president of the United States. I don't even have a seal yet. Look, Dr. Kissinger did not say that he would approve of face-to- face meetings between the president of the United States and the president -- and Ahmadinejad. He did not say that. OBAMA: Of course not." How can you deny the fact what Kissinger said on the issue and what Obama said during the debate? IJ...what did Obama mean in his last statement..."OF COURSE NOT"