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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (36107)10/2/2008 1:26:32 AM
From: TARADO96  Respond to of 149317
 
<<I find most of the people who say things like "they're all corrupt" are usually making excuses for Bush and republicans.>>

BINGO!



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (36107)10/2/2008 1:29:22 AM
From: Little Joe  Respond to of 149317
 
"I find most of the people who say things like "they're all corrupt" are usually making excuses for Bush and republicans."

Why am I not surprised?

Little joe



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (36107)10/2/2008 1:47:12 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
Bill Clinton Hits Trail in First Campaign Appearances for Obama

By Kristin Jensen

Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Five weeks before Election Day, Bill Clinton made his first campaign appearance -- for Barack Obama.

A former Democratic president stumping for his own party's nominee wouldn't usually be noteworthy, except that Clinton for months has been slow to praise Obama and quick to compliment his rival, Republican John McCain.

The complicated relationship between Clinton and Obama, who prevailed over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination, has engendered ill feelings on both sides.

Yesterday, however, Bill Clinton told Florida voters that Obama offers ``better answers'' than McCain for America's ills.

``Better answers for the economy, for energy, for health care, for education,'' Clinton told more than 5,000 people at the University of Central Florida in Orlando. ``He knows what it will take to get this country back on track.

``It matters who the president is,'' Clinton said. ``It matters what the decisions are. It matters what the policies are.''

At times this year, tension between Obama and Clinton has been unmistakable. The Democratic National Convention featured several days of drama about soothing bitterness among delegates who backed Hillary Clinton and were reluctant to surrender.

Clinton supporters say Obama hasn't done enough to reach out to the former president, the only Democrat to win two White House terms since Franklin Roosevelt, and the last Democratic presidential candidate to carry Florida, in 1996.

First Foray

Obama's campaign praises Hillary Clinton's effort on his behalf. The New York senator has held more than 40 events and fundraisers for Obama since early June. By contrast, two Florida rallies yesterday marked her husband's first foray on the campaign trail for the Democratic ticket.

Since Obama wrapped up the nomination in June, Clinton, 62, has sent ambiguous signals of support. During an ABC News interview in August, Clinton avoided a question about whether Obama, 47, is ready to be president. ``You could argue that no one's ever ready to be president,'' Clinton said.

The day before Clinton's Florida rallies, McCain's campaign released a new commercial that featured a video clip of Clinton, saying Democrats bear some responsibility for the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Clinton avoided attacks on McCain during his campaign remarks in Orlando, instead making a case that Obama has the right prescription for the financial crisis. Clinton asked supporters to compare Republican George W. Bush's eight-year economic stewardship with economic prosperity during his eight years in office.

`Bar of Love'

Clinton's perceived ambivalence for Obama's candidacy prompted a parody on NBC's ``Saturday Night Live.'' The Comedy Central network's ``Daily Show'' show host Jon Stewart jokingly questioned Clinton last month about how he could show he had met the ``bar of love'' for Obama.

In a Sept. 28 interview on NBC's ``Meet the Press,'' Clinton talked about McCain's ``greatness'' and hedged when asked if he'd say the same of Obama.

``Look, I had my first conversation with him in my entire life in Harlem,'' Clinton said, referring to a Sept. 11 meeting at his New York office. ``When he becomes president, he'll be doing things for the American people and the world. And the greatness will then become apparent because of the good he'll do.''

Political Value

The awkward personal relationship aside, Clinton's potential political value to Obama showed in the fact that the former president's campaign debut was set in Florida -- where opinion polls show a competitive race for the state's 27 Electoral College votes, the fourth-most in the country.

Florida's electoral votes decided the 2000 election between Bush and then-Vice President Al Gore. Floridians backed Bush in 2004 over Democrat John Kerry.

In another potentially decisive political battleground, Ohio's Democratic Governor Ted Strickland advised Obama's tacticians to deploy Bill Clinton heavily in parts of the state.

In Orlando yesterday, Clinton focused on the economy. Obama's priorities, when consulting his economic advisers about the financial crisis, show what kind of president he will be, Clinton said.

``You know what he said? `Tell me what the problem is and how to fix it, and don't bother me with politics. Let's do the right thing, and we'll sell it to America,''' Clinton said.

Enthusiastic Support

Voters at the rally said Clinton seemed as enthusiastic as possible about Obama's candidacy.

``I've always believed in Bill Clinton,'' said Gaby Pena, 21, a University of Central Florida student. ``So for him to support Barack Obama the way he does makes me believe even more'' that Obama is the right choice, she said.

It's not clear how many voters Clinton won over in the hot Florida sun. Interviews with two dozen people before and after his Orlando speech found 24 people who already supported Obama.

Clinton has played a relatively small role in recent presidential elections. Gore, his vice president, chose not to appear with Clinton in the closing weeks of his 2000 campaign because internal polls showed independent voters were upset by Clinton's extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky.

In 2004, Clinton underwent heart surgery and was only able to campaign for Democrats at the end of October. Still, a Philadelphia rally attended by Clinton and Kerry drew between 80,000 and 100,000 people.

In a Sept. 30 interview, Massachusetts Senator Kerry steered around the question of whether he was disappointed that Clinton hadn't done more for Obama's candidacy this year.

``I'd love to see President Clinton out there more affirmatively and loudly,'' Kerry said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Kristin Jensen in Orlando at kjensen@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: October 2, 2008 00:01 EDT



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (36107)10/2/2008 3:56:44 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 149317
 
Why George Bush has earned the title of the worst president ever...

egan.blogs.nytimes.com

The Legacy

By Timothy Egan

October 1, 2008, 9:45 pm

Among the many dispiriting things to come out of Bob Woodward’s quartet of books on George W. Bush is his observation that the president has not changed since he first started talking to Woodward in 2001.

No growth. No evolution. No regrets.

“History,” Bush replied, when asked by Woodward how he would be judged over time. “We don’t know. We’ll all be dead.” Broke, as well.

It would have been nice to let Bush’s two terms marinate a while before invoking Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan from the cellar of worst presidents. But then — over the last two weeks — he completed the trilogy of national disasters that will be with us for a generation or more.

George Bush entered the White House as a proponent of a more humble foreign policy and a believer that government should get out of the way at home. He leaves as someone with a trillion-dollar war aimed at making people who’ve hated each other for a thousand years become Rotary Club freedom-lovers, and his own country close to bankruptcy after government did get out of the way.

It’s a Mount Rainier of shame and folly. But before going any further, let’s allow his supporters to have their say.

“He’s going to have an unbelievably great legacy,” said Laura Bush in an ABC interview, citing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. “Fifty million people liberated from very brutal regimes.”

Fred Barnes argues that Bush is a visionary on a par with Ronald Reagan and Franklin D. Roosevelt. “Bush is a president who leads,” he wrote in a 2006 book. “He controls the national agenda, uses his presidential power to the fullest and then some, prepares far-reaching polices likely to change the way Americans live, reverses other long-standing polices and is the foremost leader in world affairs.”

Finally, from Karl Rove, the Architect. Bush will be viewed “as a far-sighted leader who confronted the key test of the 21st century,” he said.

After wading through books with words like “fiasco,” “hubris” and “denial” in the title, historians will go to first-hand sources, the people who worked with Bush daily. There they will find Paul O’Neill, the president’s former Treasury secretary. In 2002, he sounded an alarm, saying Bush’s rash economic policies could lead to a deficit of $500 billion. This, after Bush had inherited a budget surplus, prompted many to scoff at O’Neill.

He was wrong, but only in one respect – the projected deficit, even without a financial bailout, will almost certainly be higher.

This means a lot, for every bridge not built, every Pell grant not given to a kid who may never go to college without one, every national park road left to crumble, every sick person who cannot afford to see a doctor in a country that wants to be known as the best on earth.

Historians will also go to Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary. Bush may not be a “high functioning moron,” as Paul Begala called him recently. He is “plenty smart enough to be president,” McClellan wrote this year. But McClellan, in his job as the president’s mouthpiece, found him chronically incurious. He also said Bush deliberately misled the country into war, and in that effort, the news media were “complicit enablers.”

Historians will recall that in each of the major disasters on Bush’s watch, there were ample warnings — from the intelligence briefing that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike a month before the lethal blow, to the projections that Hurricane Katrina could drown a major American city, to the expressed fears that letting Wall Street regulate itself could be catastrophic.

Voluntary regulation. That phrase now joins “heckuva job, Brownie” and “mission accomplished” among those that will always be associated with the Bush presidency.

It’s painful now to realize, just as the economy craters and the world looks aghast at the United States, that the other cancer from the Bush presidency – his failure to even start the nation on the road to a new energy economy – gets short-changed during the triage of his final days.

Bush has hinted that his legacy will be about the war. So be it. He never caught bin Laden, the mass murderer who launched the raison d’etre of the Bush presidency.

But he did topple a paper army in Iraq, opening the drainage for our currency, blood and global reputation. It may go down as the longest, even costliest war in our history.

In a survey of scholars done earlier this year, just two of 109 historians said the Bush presidency would be judged a success. A majority said he would be the worst president ever.

But if you don’t trust those elites in academia, consider the president’s own base.

Bush leaves with his party in tatters. In the 28 states that register by affiliation, Democrats have picked up more than 2 million new voters this year while Republicans have lost 344,000. It seems only fitting that it was the last of the Bush dead-enders in Congress earlier this week who jumped ship when presented with the final horrendous hangover from this man who doesn’t drink.

If ever there was an argument for voting against politicians who are confident about their cluelessness, Bush is it. So it was heartening to see that a majority of the country, in some polls, now views Sarah Palin as unqualified to be president.

We may have learned something, even if Bush has not.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (36107)10/2/2008 11:50:11 AM
From: koan  Respond to of 149317
 
Lizzy: "I find most of the people who say things like "they're all corrupt" are usually making excuses for Bush and republicans."

koan: " I agree that is half the reason. I think the other half is that many people really just do not know the difference. They just do not pay much attention to politics in an objective way. They take their democracy for granted and address it as, us against them, more than who will help our country.

Conservatives often do not like liberals, but are not sure why. When they do give a reason it is not connected to reality.

I work mostly with Republicans and what stands out to me is that they do not read much and they do not discuss substantive issues. So they just do not know.

What I have seen over a long life, is the conservative guys stick pretty much to sports and both genders mostly just visit.

Being in real estate I have been in a million homes and I have made the observative that there are many more books in liberal homes than conservative homes.

Republican's most often vote Republcian for either tribal reasons, or the way their mind works. The latter phenomonen has always stumped me.

If you go to any of the anti Obama threads on SI you will first notice the posts are very short. One sentence or phrase. And lots of hate.

And there will be myraid crass posts, most with little substance and very few involve indepth objective analysis of anything.