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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (50049)	10/4/2008 9:37:26 AM
From: TideGlider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224756

Okay you covered a talking point. If she is wrong she will pay the difference and possibly a penalty. If she is correct she won't. Now what about the incredible lie Biden made up about hezbollah, Lebanon, France, the US and what he and Obama did when they (fantasy) ran Hezbollah out of Lebanon? He didn't just lie he made up a totally false story. An incredibly false story that never occurred. Why can't you respond Kenneth?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (50049)	10/4/2008 9:47:34 AM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 224756

Where did ya go Kenneth? Cat got your tongue? Looking for some talking point to clear it up? There isn't one by the way lol

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (50049)	10/4/2008 9:55:32 AM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 224756

DAMN KENNETH the Netherlands thinks Biden is stupid too! Biden Doesn’t Know Foreign Policy Very Well Filed under: General News — Michael van der Galien, Editor-in-Chief on October 4, 2008 @ 3:30 pm CEST Email this • Digg This! • Stumble It! • Save to del.icio.us • Technorati Links • Share on Facebook Most observers missed what could very well be the gaffe of the night Thursday: Senator Joe Biden contended that “[w]hen we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, ‘Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.’ Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.” As anyone who knows a bit about the Middle East, and especially Lebanon, Hizbullah and Syria knows, the above is proof that Biden truly knows nothing about this subject. Michael J. Totten, one of the American journalists who actually know what they’re talking about when it comes to the Middle East, quickly explained that Biden was lying, distorting and displaying a profound lack of knowledge about the region: What on Earth is he talking about? The United States and France may have kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon in an alternate universe, but nothing even remotely like that ever happened in this one. Nobody – nobody – has ever kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon. Not the United States. Not France. Not Israel. And not the Lebanese. Nobody. Joe Biden has literally no idea what he’s talking about. It’s too bad debate moderator Gwen Ifill didn’t catch him and ask a follow up question: When did the United States and France kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon? The answer? Never. And did Biden and Senator Barack Obama really say NATO troops should be sent into Lebanon? When did they say that? Why would they say that? They certainly didn’t say it because NATO needed to prevent Hezbollah from returning–since Hezbollah never went anywhere. I tried to chalk this one up as just the latest of Biden’s colorful gaffes. Did he mean to say “we kicked Syria out of Lebanon?” But that wouldn’t make any more sense. First of all, the Lebanese kicked Syria out of Lebanon. Not the United States, and not France. But he clearly meant to say Hezbollah, not Syria, because he correctly notes just a few sentences later that Hezbollah is part of Lebanon’s government. He wasn’t talking about Syria. He was talking about Hezbollah all the way through, at the beginning, in the middle, and at the end of his outlandish assertion. Rick Moran added: Joe Biden – or any rational human being on this planet anyway – never recommended that NATO be dispatched to “fill the vacuum.” It is a lie. If it had been proposed. Colin Powell would have been laughed out of the room – something we should do to Biden at this point because he compounded his gaffe by evidently believing that not having NATO as a buffer between Israel and Hezb’allah – an absolute impossibility mind you – led to the ascension of Hezb’allah in Lebanon as a political power. Where has Biden been for the last 20 years – at least since the Taif Accords were signed in 1989 which gave Hezb’allah a free hand in the southern part of the country and then pressuring the Lebanese government to formally designate them as “the resistance” to Israel? Hezb’allah’s rise is directly related to Iran’s funding of their proxy to the tune of around $250 million a year. Hizbullah has been in Lebanon for decades. It is more than a terrorist organization; it’s also an organization that simply helps people. Sourthern Lebanon is poor. Hizbullah helps the people who live there financially; they receive money, food, if they have a problem with their home Hizbullah steps in, and so forth. They have been running this ‘charity’ part of the organization for just as long as the terrorist arm. This part of the organization has played an important role in Southern Lebanon for decades and have truly literally never been kicked out by anyone. Combine that with the other lies and idiotic remarks in those two sentences, and Biden has proven himself to be completely incompetent and uninformed when it comes to the Middle East. This should seriously disqualify him from ever speaking on the subject of the Middle East again. This man has played a prominent role in the U.S. Senate for years, and pretends to be one of the leading Democratic figures on foreign policy. That’s just pathetic. poligazette.com

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (50049)	10/4/2008 11:44:52 AM
From: puborectalis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224756

Barack Obama continued Friday to widen his lead over John McCain, pulling ahead 49-42 percent in the daily Gallup Poll. With the economy sputtering, Obama's lead could grow even bigger in the next few days. Obama is often seen as being more capable of handling those woes than McCain is. Then, on Tuesday, Obama and McCain will square off in their next presidential debate, where the state of the economy will take center stage. Friday's 49-42 lead was up from 48-43 percent on Thursday and from 48-44 percent on Wednesday. The Friday results don't reflect much reaction to the vice presidential debate on Thursday night. But when those results roll in, they are not likely to help McCain. Joe Biden easily won the debate over Sarah Palin, who talked in circles for much of the debate, without much insight on how the federal government works.