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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: DizzyG who wrote (50325)	10/6/2008 12:21:34 PM
From: TideGlider	2 Recommendations Respond to of 224707

Must be something embarrassing. One of the relatives once said she was in Kenya when pregnant and the people didn't like her. She wanted to go home and they wouldn't let her fly. Something like that. My guess is the baby was born in Kenya and she flew back after that and registered the birth. That is why there is no actual BIRTH CERTIFICATE from Hawaii, just that bogus thing that was posted.

To: DizzyG who wrote (50325)	10/6/2008 12:23:27 PM
From: TideGlider	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224707

Was Obama born in Kenya? (Note: further down in this entry is the full story of the federal suit filed by Philip Berg, a Democrat and a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, seeking an injunction to prevent the Democratic Party from nominating Obama for the presidency, on the basis that he is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.) (Also see, below, further information and reflections on Barack's mother Stanley Ann Dunham, the hippie avant la lettre.) Posted at Free Republic is the first plausible case I've seen that Barack Obama may not be a natural-born U.S. citizen, which under the Constitution would make him ineligible for the presidency. The charge consists of two elements: (1) He was not born in Hawaii, as he has claimed, but in Kenya. His mother and father were visiting Kenya, and she was unable to fly back to Hawaii for his birth because she was in an advanced stage of pregnancy. (2) U.S. law at the time said that a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and a non-citizen parent was a natural born U.S. citizen only if the citizen parent was at least 19 years of age. Ann Dunham Obama was 18 when her son was born. The article also says that Obama's Kenyan relatives, his paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister, have claimed that he was born in Kenya. If Barack was born in Kenya, that would explain the mystery of why his campaign has not published his birth certificate That's why I find this story plausible. (Or, rather, the birth certificate that has been presented as his has been said to be fraudulent--I have not followed the birth certificate story before today, except for hearing that there was a problem with his birth certificate that had not been satisfactorily resolved.). Unfortunately, the article lacks an original and an author. There is an address given, www.usafricaonline.com/news.html, but I do not find the story on the main page of that site. The FR article refers to a Philip Berg who is suing in federal court, but doesn't say what he is suing about. I hope the story of the Kenyan birth turns out to be true, and that the Democratic party accordingly withdraws the nomination from Obama and gives it to Hillary Clinton. I think Hillary would have a better chance than Obama of beating McCain and removing the Bush-McCain Republicans and neocons from positions of national power and influence, thus giving genuine conservatives a chance to regain control of the Republican party; and I also think she would be less harmful to the country than Obama. But, as I've said before, since all my hopes during this presidential year have been systematically dashed, the fact that I'm hoping for this outcome is a strong indication that it will not happen. - end of initial entry - Jens L. writes from Denmark: I am one of your regular readers, and even though I might quibble with you here and there, I really have to say that I hold you in great respect. For what it's worth, I have stumbled upon a link that describes a law suit filed in U.S. District Court (Philadelphia) seeking an injunction preventing Obama from continuing his candidacy and a court order to prevent his nomination at the upcoming Democratic Convention. I don't know who Mr. Jeff Schreiber is and can't vouch for the veracity of the information I am merely passing to you, as you have taken an interest in this issue. It will be interesting to see whether this issue is a red herring or something genuine. Having said that I am somewhat doubtful about whether anything untoward will turn up. My reasoning is that were Obama actually ineligible to be elected President as alleged by the alleged law suit, we are looking, at the very least, at an incredible case of negligence on the part of the Democratic National Committee: the reality being that the Democratic leadership were willing, ready and able to present to the American people a complete fraud of a candidate, even at the risk of causing an unprecedented Constitutional crisis if the truth were ever to emerge during Obama's term as President. Whether the DNC, with its army of lawyers, and Obama, who is himself a lawyer, would conspire in such a brazen act of electoral fraud on the American people is really hard to imagine, which is why I have my doubts. On the other hand given the almost universal lack of moral rectitude amongst modern politicians, in Europe as well as the U.S., fact might well turn out to be stranger than fiction. In any case, I hope the truth will come out, for the sake of the country. etc etc amnation.com