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To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)10/6/2008 10:19:22 PM
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To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)10/9/2008 2:41:52 PM
From: RockyBalboa  Respond to of 6370
 
The silent crash of STU, a citigroup subsidiary shows that further dismantling is underway.

STU has no float, 100% of the 20 Mil out is held by citi + some institutions. No serious person would trade the stock. It is merely an indicator for the credit risks. That makes it so ominous.



To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)10/16/2008 7:34:26 AM
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Citigroup beats estimates by 10c, or misses by 2c (depending on whom you believe)
AP
Citigroup posts another loss amid credit woes
Thursday October 16, 7:22 am ET
Citigroup reports fourth straight quarterly loss, eliminates another 11,000 jobs

NEW YORK (AP) -- Citigroup Inc. is suffering its fourth straight quarterly loss due to credit-related missteps, and has cut another 11,000 jobs.
The bank lost $2.8 billion, or 60 cents per share, in the third quarter compared with a profit of $2.2 billion, or 44 cents per share, a year ago. Analysts polled by Thomson Reuters expected a loss of 70 cents per share.

Citi wrote down $4.4 billion in investments, recorded $4.9 billion in credit losses, and took a $3.9 billion charge to boost reserves.

The big four U.S. banks -- Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase & Co., Bank of America Corp. and Wells Fargo & Co. -- are each slated to receive $25 billion from the government. Citi recently lost a bid for Wachovia Corp. to Wells Fargo.
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To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)11/14/2008 2:19:18 PM
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Citigroup now below $10 off a further 40%, and equity raising efforts become increasingly difficult. Its tangible equity is with all due respect for Citi, likely negative and its leverage per the last Q already reached 50x, which are FNM (or LTCM) dimensions.

As a result...

But what will happen in that case? Will the world go under? There are many brokers and corporates banked by it.



To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)11/20/2008 4:19:39 PM
From: RockyBalboa  Respond to of 6370
 
Didn´t take 9 months.

SCENARIOS-How the U.S. government might help Citigroup
Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:39pm EST


Trading will never be the same.

By Dan Wilchins

NEW YORK, Nov 20 (Reuters) - As Citigroup Inc's (C.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) share price sinks, investors are wondering if the U.S. government will have to help the bank. How is an open question. Four investors that spoke to Reuters proposed some scenarios.

MORE PREFERREDS

The U.S. Treasury Department bought $25 billion of preferred shares and warrants from Citigroup in October when it injected capital into banks under the $700 billion Troubled Assets Relief Program.

It could buy more, boosting Citigroup's capital and a renewed government willingness to support the bank, which could soothe investors. Citigroup bonds, which have been sinking because of concern that a bailout would harm bondholders, would rally. That could lift prices for other bank bonds, reducing borrowing costs for lenders that rely on bond markets to fund themselves.

Preferred shares do not have voting rights, so a preferred stock investment would not provide new U.S. oversight over Citigroup's management or board, which some taxpayers and government officials may want. But the government could require the bank to add new management or directors as part of a deal.

A LOAN, OWNERSHIP STAKE

Another possibility is a bailout similar to the original $85 billion package for American International Group Inc (AIG.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz). The government made a loan that would be first to be repaid if the insurer went bankrupt, and took an 80 percent ownership stake.

The loan's terms were so onerous that AIG trading partners demanded even more collateral, making the insurer's position more precarious. But a more lenient loan for Citigroup plus shares would ensure ample say for the government in how the bank is run, and would leave taxpayers with minimal risk compared to other investors.

But such an arrangement would erase much of Treasury's earlier $25 billion investment in Citigroup preferred shares. Plus, it would hurt investors in Citigroup's bonds, and bank bonds in general, making it harder for some banks to fund themselves.

LIQUIDATION

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp has considerable leeway in how it sells a bank it seizes. It can, as with Washington Mutual Inc (WAMUQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), protect deposits and leave bondholders and stockholders in the cold.

This could shelter the financial system from some of Citigroup's toxic assets, but at tremendous cost. No longer would any bank, or perhaps any company, be deemed "too big to fail." Investors could dump stocks of and corporate credits of all stripes, turning what could already be a deep recession into a punishing one.

"The too big to fail doctrine is being tested. Maybe the solution is to break these companies up like Ma Bell," said James Ellman, president of hedge fund Seacliff Capital in San Francisco. "Ma Bell" was a nickname for AT&T, which was broken up into smaller regional telephone companies in the 1980s.

GUARANTEES

The government could guarantee all of Citigroup's debt and derivative obligations. This could be a low-cost solution if investor confidence in Citigroup returns. But even a government guarantee does not necessarily ensure restoration of investor confidence, as Fannie Mae (FNM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and Freddie Mac (FRE.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) learned earlier this year.

A government guarantee of Citigroup derivatives could create significant questions about how to manage them. Would they wind the derivatives books down, reducing the capacity of trillions of dollars of over-the-counter derivatives markets globally? Making markets in derivatives typically involves taking some risk. Would the government be willing to expose taxpayers to such risk?

BUYING THE WORST ASSETS

The government could buy Citigroup's worst assets, perhaps at a discount, and allow an asset manager such as BlackRock Inc (BLK.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) to manage them for taxpayers. The government's $700 billion rescue package was supposed to do that, but deciding on fair prices for the government to buy assets proved difficult. If the price is too high, taxpayers risk big losses. If the price is too low, the bank could be hobbled, and the asset values implied by the transactions could hurt other banks.

REGULATORY CHANGES

Instituting a new short-selling ban, loosening mark-to-market accounting rules for bank assets, or halting trading in credit default swaps could provide a temporary boost to banks in general, and Citigroup in particular.

"If you banned all short selling, not just new short selling, but all short selling on every company, stocks would really rally. It would force the mother of all short-covering rallies," said Seacliff's Ellman, referring to rallies where investors buy shares to cover short positions.

But such moves could fail. A recent short-selling ban did not halt declines in bank shares, and created market distortions that may have forced hedge funds to liquidate more assets. Loosening mark-to-market rules could reduce transparency in the banking system, making investors even more reluctant to sink capital into it. And halting credit default swap trading would eliminate an important source of revenue for banks, and make it harder for investors to hedge. (Reporting by Dan Wilchins)

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To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)11/24/2008 4:59:27 AM
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Bank nearly failed (see emphasis... I am selling and shorting the stock on this; it reminds me on AIG which stock did not recover on the bailout)
... Joint Statement by Treasury, Federal Reserve and the FDIC on Citigroup

Washington, DC— The U.S. government is committed to supporting financial market stability, which is a prerequisite to restoring vigorous economic growth. In support of this commitment, the U.S. government on Sunday entered into an agreement with Citigroup to provide a package of guarantees, liquidity access and capital.

As part of the agreement, Treasury and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation will provide protection against the possibility of unusually large losses on an asset pool of approximately $306 billion of loans and securities backed by residential and commercial real estate and other such assets, which will remain on Citigroup's balance sheet. As a fee for this arrangement, Citigroup will issue preferred shares to the Treasury and FDIC. In addition and if necessary, the Federal Reserve stands ready to backstop residual risk in the asset pool through a non-recourse loan.

In addition, Treasury will invest $20 billion in Citigroup from the Troubled Asset Relief Program in exchange for preferred stock with an 8% dividend to the Treasury. Citigroup will comply with enhanced executive compensation restrictions and implement the FDIC's mortgage modification program.

With these transactions, the U.S. government is taking the actions necessary to strengthen the financial system and protect U.S. taxpayers and the U.S. economy.

My comment: Not protected are: shareholders and debtholders as well as other stakeholders which are not US taxpayers



To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)1/10/2009 6:33:36 PM
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Here´s followup, SBSH on the chopping block>>: Citigroup, Morgan Stanley discuss brokerage combo
Saturday January 10, 4:51 pm ET
By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer
AP Source: Citigroup, Morgan Stanley negotiate possible combination of brokerage units

NEW YORK (AP) -- A deal to combine the brokerages of Citigroup and Morgan Stanley -- which would give Citi more cash, and Morgan Stanley more manpower -- appears just days away.

Morgan Stanley is likely to pay Citigroup between $2 billion and $3 billion for a 51 percent stake in the brokerage Smith Barney, a person close to the negotiations said.

Morgan Stanley would then have the option to buy Smith Barney over the next three to five years, the person said. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the ongoing talks.

If negotiations proceed through the weekend as they have been, an announcement could come as early as Monday, the person said.

Word of the negotiations came as investors digested news Friday that Robert Rubin, a senior adviser to Citi who has drawn heavy criticism, would resign and would not seek another term on the board.

A combination of the brokerage units would help Citigroup get more much-needed cash and cut costs, said Aite Group analyst Alois Pirker. The benefit for Morgan Stanley, Pirker said, would be a bigger staff to compete with other growing brokerages -- particularly Merrill Lynch, which recently was acquired by Bank of America Corp.

The deal may also lead to a full-fledged merger between the two banks, he speculated.

"The ultimate goal could be to merge the two entities fully," Pirker said. "Morgan Stanley needs deposits, there's no doubt about that. They won't get that by telling brokers to get deposits from their clients."

Morgan Stanley applied to become a bank holding company last fall to get loans from the government and collect deposits -- one of the few reliable sources of funding these days with the credit markets still squeezed.

The government is not driving the negotiations between Citigroup and Morgan Stanley, people with knowledge of the situation said. They also spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the matter.

There were no talks scheduled for this weekend between the Treasury Department and Citigroup officials.

The potential deal is another sign of the U.S. banking industry's consolidation into a few huge power players -- ones that are still heavily reliant on the government for backing as the economy deteriorates.

"It's a bit of a worrying sign, I think," Pirker said. "It seems like the firms are too big as they are, from the brokerage perspective. They are racing to get bigger than the next one. One wonders if they'll have to shrink back again."

Morgan Stanley is one of the few remaining Wall Street firms after the credit crisis last year sent Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. into bankruptcy and Merrill to Bank of America.

Citigroup's CEO Vikram Pandit spent decades working at Morgan Stanley before starting his own hedge fund, and has appointed many former colleagues to top-level management positions at Citigroup.

Private analysts said Citi's interest in raising revenue with a Smith Barney deal was likely aimed at demonstrating to the government and Wall Street investors that it was working to bolster Citi's finances.

The company has reported four straight quarters of losses totaling $20.2 billion through September 2008 and is expected to post yet another loss when it releases fourth-quarter results on Jan. 22. Thomson Reuters said analysts it surveyed expect Citi to report a loss, on average, of $1.14 a share for the October-December period.

Citigroup has received $45 billion in support from the government's $700 billion financial rescue fund, an amount that is almost double what has been provided to any other major bank.

Some analysts said that they expected Citi to make further efforts beyond Smith Barney to sell assets to raise cash including selling some of their foreign operations.

"The bottom line is that Citigroup has to shrink its size and sell off assets to bring in cash to shore up their capital base and be in a better position to eventually pay back the government," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at the Smith School of Business at California State University.

"Even during the boom times, Citi was in too many businesses," Sohn said. "I think Citigroup is going back to what it used to be, a much smaller organization with significantly reduced costs."

Citigroup was hit particularly hard by the housing market downturn because the bank was heavily invested in mortgages and other loans. The company has reported four straight quarters of losses, and is expected to post yet another loss when it releases fourth-quarter results later this month.

If Morgan Stanley ends up buying Smith Barney, it "sounds like the beginning of a liquidation," said Christopher Whalen, managing director of Institutional Risk Analytics.

AP Economics Writer Martin Crutsinger in Washington contributed to this report.



To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)1/12/2009 4:31:19 PM
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Citi on the chopping block:

Citi may be broken up, under government influence
Sale of Smith Barney would jettison another business from Travelers deal
By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
Last update: 3:56 p.m. EST Jan. 12, 2009
Comments: 22
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Some private investors have been calling for Citigroup Inc. to break itself up for years. Now, according to analysts, the government may be doing the job.
Citi is in talks to sell a majority stake in its Smith Barney brokerage business to Morgan Stanley for roughly $2.5 billion, according to a Wall Street Journal report. The deal would be set up as a joint venture and would likely give Morgan Stanley an option to buy the rest of the unit later, reports say.

Citi shares slumped 18% to $5.51 as investors worried that such a deal favored Morgan Stanley over Citi. Morgan shares slipped 3% to $18.50.
If the transaction were to go through, it would mark another departure from the financial-services-supermarket business model that was consummated when Citi, headed by John Reed, and Travelers Group, run by Sandy Weill, agreed to merge in 1998.
Citi has already sold most of the insurance businesses that came with that groundbreaking deal, along with the money-management business. The only major unit left would be consumer finance, a category in which Citi operated before the merger, Ladenburg Thalmann analyst Dick Bove noted Monday.
News of a potential deal broke Friday as former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin resigned as senior counselor and director at Citi. See full story.
"Both actions suggest an end to the dream that John Reed and Sandy Weill had when they merged legacy Citicorp with legacy Travelers in an attempt to build a monolithic global financial company," Bove wrote in a note to investors.
Even before the financial crisis hit in 2007, some investors were calling for Citi to be broken up, arguing the company had become too unwieldy to manage. The calls were rejected by executives at the company.
When the credit crunch arrived, Citi was left with billions of dollars in exposure to collateralized debt obligations and other troubled mortgage-related assets. As losses mounted, it became one of the first banks to get a government investment from the Treasury's Troubled Asset Relief Program, receiving $25 billion.
But Citi shares continued to slump, forcing the government to invest another $20 billion in the bank and guarantee most of a $306 billion pool of troubled assets if losses exceed $29 billion. The Nov. 24 agreement also gave the government control over executive bonuses and put caps on dividends at Citi.
As recently as early December, Citi Chief Executive Vikram Pandit told analysts and investors that the company had the right business mix. The Smith Barney deal would be a sudden departure from that, suggesting government involvement, UBS analyst Glenn Schorr said Monday.
"That a month later such a transaction is even a possibility suggests to us that this move is at least partially being driven by the ownership presence of the U.S. government," Schorr wrote in a note to clients.
Citi may also sell its Mexican business, Banamex, Schorr and Bove noted.
"Technically, Citi hasn't been nationalized, but it feels increasingly like there are a few additional folks pulling the strings," Schorr added. "It sure seems like there's some real pressure on Citi to continue to shrink itself into a more manageable, smaller company." End of Story
Alistair Barr is a reporter for MarketWatch in San Francisco.



To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)1/16/2009 4:00:31 PM
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Citigroup loses $8.3 billion, to split in two

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Citigroup Inc (NYSE:C - News), scrambling to survive losses triggered by the credit crunch, unveiled plans to split in two and shed troubled assets, and reported a quarterly loss of $8.29 billion.
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The banking giant also said it expected more departures from its embattled board, which is losing former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin as a director later this year.

Still, the bank's shares rose 4 percent in premarket trading, in part because investors hoped the plan to separate its most troubled assets into a new company would help revive the company.

"It's one of the first steps toward some positive news and the end of this nightmare," said Michael Holland, founder of Holland & Co in New York, which manages more than $4 billion of investment.

Citigroup, whose shares have plunged 87 percent since the beginning of 2008, said it recorded $28.3 billion of writedowns and credit losses in the 2008 fourth quarter. Losses over the past 15 months total more than $92 billion.

The bank's fourth-quarter loss was $8.29 billion, or $1.72 per share, compared with a year-earlier loss of $9.8 billion, or $1.99 a share. The most recent results included $3.9 billion of gains from the sale of it German retail bank.

BREAKING UP

Citigroup, once the champion of the "financial supermarket" model, is splitting into two operating units in what is known as a "good bank/bad bank" strategy. Critics of the bank, who argue it had become too big and complex to manage, have demanded a break-up for some time.

Citigroup's core commercial, retail and investment banking worldwide -- the good bank -- will be reorganized as Citicorp and led by Citigroup Chief Executive Vikram Pandit.

The other unit -- to be called Citi Holdings -- will encompass brokerage, retail asset management, consumer finance and a pool of risky assets. The bank is considering selling off Citi Holdings assets, or letting them mature.

The bank said it was searching for someone to run Citi Holdings.

The break-up plan comes three days after Citigroup announced plans to sell its Smith Barney brokerage business to Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS - News). Initially, Citigroup will own 49 percent of a venture comprising the brokerages of both banks. Morgan is expected to acquire full control after five years.

Citigroup will receive $2.7 billion upfront from Morgan as part of the deal, expected to close in the third quarter.

DEPRESSED RESULTS

Citigroup's fourth-quarter revenue fell 13 percent to $5.6 billion, reflecting weak capital markets. It global credit card business saw revenue decline 27 percent on weakness in North America.

Consumer banking revenue declined 22 percent, driven by a 47 percent drop in investment sales. Its institutional clients group, securities and banking revenue was negative $10.6 billion, mainly due to net losses and writedowns of $7.8 billion.

"Our results continued to be depressed by an unprecedented dislocation in capital markets and a weak economy," said Pandit.

Citigroup said its Tier 1 capital ratio, a measure of financial strength, stood at 11.8 percent at year-end, well above the level required by regulators.

The bank has sold $45 billion of preferred stock to the Treasury as part of the government's effort to prevent the collapse of U.S. banks.

Citigroup also disclosed it was reviewing goodwill on its balance sheet to determine if it should record an impairment. Goodwill, the difference between what a company pays for an acquisition and its value, must be written down if a company believes the value of the acquired business will not recover.

Matt McCormick, portfolio manager at Bahl & Gaynor Investment Counsel in Cincinnati, said of the quarterly results, "I think people knew it was going to be bad, but I'm surprised it's this bad."

(Written by Joe Giannone; Reporting by Dan Wilchins; editing by Lisa Von Ahn and John Wallace)



To: RockyBalboa who wrote (4301)2/27/2009 7:34:10 AM
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Citigroup broke down. Stock lost 25% to 1.8, the AIG way; target 0.39 ...