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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (273017)	10/8/2008 12:15:23 AM
From: greenspirit	8 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793963

Maurice, we can always leave the Darfur situation to the incredibly fearful NZ armed forces. They should be able to take care of the genocide and deal with the piracy issue plaguing the African coastline. When they're finished, maybe you could ask them to scoop up Bin Laden in Pakistan too?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (273017)	10/8/2008 12:22:15 AM
From: mph	12 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793963

Maurice, I don't believe you're a taxpayer in this country, so spare me the taxpayer lingo and uppity lectures. Obama has beaten the drum against Pakistan in both debates. The simple answer is that he wants it both ways. He wants to appear decisive and aggressive at the same time as he panders to his anti-Iraq war base. The only legislation he's proposed since election to the Senate was a bill to force a March 2008 withdrawal of Iraq troops. I stand by my characterization of his haste to get out of Iraq. Like a child in potty training. Again, he did that to pander to his base. He also does the anti-Iraq war schtick as part of his attempt to make McCain Bush III. That attempt has not been successful. The decision to go to war in Iraq is old news. The issue now is how to manage the current situation into the future. Biden voted for the war although he pretends he didn't. Obama wasn't in office to vote one way or the other. He probably would have voted 'present.' He claims to have been against the war out there in his safe haven among the leftist Chicago elites. Hardly a brave stance.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (273017)	10/8/2008 12:27:37 AM
From: mph	9 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793963

I also had to remark on this statement of yours: There were obviously no or negligible WMDs. I'm sure you personally had different and better intelligence than any world leaders. Must be great to know everything, sitting out there miles from everything.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (273017)	11/8/2008 1:09:24 PM
From: greenspirit	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793963

Kind of ironic that while you've been pushing for Obama and more socialism in the U.S. your country moves in the opposite direction. New Zealand changes govt, Key new PM AdvertisementEmail Print Normal font Large font November 8, 2008 - 6:04AM New Zealand's incoming prime minister John Key says his party's decisive win over the ruling Labour Party shows his nation has voted for change. Key's centre-right National Party defeated the Labour Party, winning more than 45 per cent of the primary vote, enough to govern with the support of minor parties. "In their hundreds of thousands across the country they have voted for change," Key told supporters at a function in Auckland. Key, 47, promised a government he led would herald a more ambitious future for the country, which is in a recession and has rising unemployment. "We need everybody pulling in the same direction. If we do that. If we work hard and if we remain determined we will make New Zealand as prosperous as we all know it can be," Key said. "It will be a government that values individual achievement. It will be a government that supports those that cannot support themselves. And it will be a government we can all be part of," he said. Key's defeat of the Labour government led by Prime Minister Helen Clark ends her nine-year reign as New Zealand's leader. He thanked Clark, saying she was "most gracious" in a telephone call earlier in the night. "We share a love of this country and I have always admired her dedication to the job and her ferocious work ethic and her desire to make New Zealand a better country. "As prime minister of New Zealand she has always ensured our voice was heard on the international stage." Earlier Clark conceded defeat, and resigned as leader of the Labour Party. "I will be expecting Labour colleagues to elect a new leader before Christmas, and I will give that new leader, whoever it is, the total loyalty I have enjoyed from every member of parliament for a very long time," Clark said. "As is obvious to all, tonight has not been our night. "In politics we all experience the highs and the lows ... tonight is a night for the winners to savour, but we won't be going away," Clark said. Another politician left licking his wounds was New Zealand's controversial foreign minister Winston Peters, whose NZ First Party failed to win a single seat. "This is a very very significant crunch election like nothing you or I have ever seen. "We have been the victims of it, but then, when you got into this game, that is what you have to be prepared to be - a victim and a loser," Peters told media. "You can't win every night in this game, however it's not over yet." "We will re-organise ourselves in the next month and we will see what 2011 will hold for all of us." The Green Party secured 6.5 per cent of the vote, and will increase its presence in parliament by two, to eight seats. Green Party leader Jeanette Fitzsimons said she had been hoping her party would have gotten a higher vote, given recent opinion polls. "Even though we won't be supporting a National-led government, we may well find areas of common ground where we can work together," Fitzsimons said. The Maori Party has increased its number of MPs by one and will have five MPs in the new parliament. news.smh.com.au