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To: cfimx who wrote (5019)	10/21/1997 12:47:00 PM
From: Michael L. Voorhees	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

twister: wrong.

To: cfimx who wrote (5019)	10/21/1997 2:24:00 PM
From: LKO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

> To the msft haters around here (I thought this was a sunw thread). Oh Boy ! What did I say to deserve this ! :-). My comments started in a way "defending" Microsoft's right to include a browser as a core application in Windows 98 saying Sun/Solaris do roughly the same....but not in the same way. Having a personal opinion that Microsoft uses the OS monopoly to compete illegaly does not make me a "msft hater". > Ask yourself this. If Java Man, aka da man who sold ALL OF YOU HIS > CHEAP STOCK, had his company in the position that Bill Gates has > msft, that he WOULDN"T GO FOR THE JUGULAR, every single time he > could? The answer of course is that he would be WORSE. Remember, > EVERYTHING is relative. Sun definitely has proprietary agendas but DOES NOT seem to compete illegally the way most people think Microsoft does. If you are familiar with "competition" in the fragmented and not so large market represented by Unix, you will know that Sun lost and backed out of - Openwindows technology (Winner MOTIF) - NeWS windows technology (Winner MIT X11) - more recently in new generation Internet PRotocol (IP) security technology (loser: SUN's SKIP, Winner ISAKMP) Proprietary alternatives are promoted but competing alternatives are not sabotaged and markets/standards/customers define the winners or losers. Sun has competed and lost before. Personally I am not even sure Java can win in the long run if Microsoft competes. It is a company that makes great products and CAN compete and win if it chooses to. That is the way the game is supposed to be played in the Sherman-CLayton and other acts. Microsoft has been testing the limits of those for quite some time now. In the previous Justice department "encounters" it explained code introduced to "break" competitors programs deliberately as errors introduced by incompetence and gets the same credibility as white house does when it says it "overlooked" some tapes. There are REASONS Microsft chose to sign the consent decree and get the previous investigation settled. It had to back out of acquiring INTUIT when it could not compete with the Quicken and was trying to buy it instead. The Federal anti-trust laws may not be in the best interest for maximizing the retursn for Microsoft shareholders...but they are the law-of-the-land and presumably enacted for the public good. If you want to educate yourself about the 4 major anti-trust laws..go read: brownraysman.com The "Javaman" may not be the most polite, gentle, likeable character, or or a non-partisan but to my judgement (I am not a lawyer...agreed), he does seem to resort to tactics that test the limit of the spirit (if not the words) of the anti-trust laws.