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To: Lane3 who wrote (89680)	10/11/2008 5:04:02 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541933

It doesn't matter where he was born if his mother was American so the first bit is ridiculous. I'm not sure about that. There was some question about McCain for awhile because he was born in Panama. I think it matters whether you were born on American soil or not. But am not at all sure. I wonder if Biden would stand down for Hillary. That would certainly cap an election with so many twists and turns that I doubt a novelist could dream it up without being ridiculed for being outlandish.

To: Lane3 who wrote (89680)	10/11/2008 5:53:16 PM
From: Rambi	Respond to of 541933

It just makes no sense to me. He would have had to lie to get a passport and when he checked into the Senate, at the very least. Surely, if he had any concern it was a problem, he would have rectified it. Are there any official records proving that his father adopted him and changed his citizenship? Not that I think it matters after reading the following, which I found at WOrldNetDaily (a very RW site) and doesn't seem to have found anything concrete despite trying very hard, and I think the final sentence says it all. You have to feel sorry for Obama who is being attacked for something so completely beyond his control- he being all of 5 or 6-, and that he may never have known, and by people who are trying to twist anything at all to suit them. I guess he shouldn't have had the poor judgment to be born to such an unusual family. It was not clear whether Soetoro adopted Obama, either in Hawaii or in Indonesia, but there is strong circumstantial evidence that he did as far as Indonesian law was concerned. In Indonesia, which was under tight rule in 1967, Obama clearly took on the last name of his stepfather in school registration documents. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, which needed to bear the student's legal name, which should be matched in public school registration filings. Following his enrollment at the private Assisi school, Obama attended public schooling in Indonesia until he returned to Hawaii at age 10. According to Indonesian legal experts, it was difficult to enroll non-Indonesian citizens in public schooling. Obama arrived in Indonesia at about the age of five according to most accounts, although it was possible he arrived at the age of six, according to a few sources. If Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama at age five or younger, then Obama would automatically have become an Indonesian citizen according to the country's laws in the 1960's, which stipulated any child aged five or younger adopted by an Indonesian father is immediately granted Indonesian citizenship upon completion of the adoption process. Lolo Soetoro could have adopted Obama in Hawaii, although such an adoption would not have necessarily been recognized by Indonesia. Indonesian law at the time also did not recognize dual citizenship, meaning if Obama became Indonesian, then as far as that country was concerned, his U.S. citizenship was no longer recognized by Indonesia. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen.