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To: LTK007 who wrote (13078)	10/12/2008 9:29:09 PM
From: Grandk	8 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71479

I wish I had an answer. Have you ever read Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglas? There is a chapter about when Douglas went to live with a new family. The lady of the house was warm and inviting to Douglas at first. But he writes that as time passed having a slave changed her and humans in general. She became wicked. Not because she was but because of the situation. Our minds are powerful tools. They can either be mastered or end up mastering us. Why do 25% refuse? Perhaps because the 25% have the will to refuse. The other 75% have no will because life has stolen it from them. She saw how people treated others, she saw firsthand the atrocities men committed against other men, and she gave in or gave up. She simply succumbed to the evil instead of fighting to the dying of the day. All too often we probably all succumb instead of stand firm. For some of us there is no turning back. Not because of some choice but because the choice has already been made. We take our choices for granted until one day they take us captive. It is this idea that keeps me from taking choices lightly. Our choices define us and end the end they make us what we become.

To: LTK007 who wrote (13078)	10/12/2008 10:20:44 PM
From: Robin Plunder	1 Recommendation Respond to of 71479

"He then proposed that the fate of humanity is not in studying the big majority that FAIL time and time again when put to the test and ratherwe MUST study the minority because if we do NOT discover their secret, Humanity is DOOMED" indpendent thought arises from a focus on the evidence at hand on the particular issue. those who are not independent thinkers are focussing on the thoughts or expectations of others, rather than the evidence. how many folks tell their kids.."look at the evidence, when you make a conclusion"? this would fix most of the issues. robin

To: LTK007 who wrote (13078)	10/13/2008 5:21:31 AM
From: Don Earl	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71479

RE: "So i ask a CHALLENGING questions, are we really all really the same species?" Why would you assume the results were genetic rather than environmental? Particularly when you state, "All races, religions, nationalities and background, all came out with the near identical results.". Under most circumstances, obedience to authority is a survival mechanism. "Authority" by definition, implies the ability to exercise force in order to extort compliance with the authority's will. Children obey parents because parents are bigger, stronger, and use physical force to enforce compliance. Motorists obey the speed limit because failure to do so may cause confrontations with armed persons, authorized to detain them. Employees obey the boss because failure to do so threatens their ability to obtain food and shelter. The list of things people do in the way of obedience to authority, in order to avoid survival threatening consequences, is nearly endless. As far as the 25% go, I think one could speculate that either those individuals perceive a higher authority than the one present during the experiments, and/or that that authority's instructions create a threat to their survival over and above whatever benefits may be obtained by immediate compliance. The only thing truly remarkable about the study is that anyone would consider it remarkable. Man is both an inherently social critter and the most deadly predator on the face of the planet. Most days, if you don't do anything to threaten his survival, he's pretty easy to get along with.