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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: DizzyG who wrote (51390)10/13/2008 7:57:48 PM
From: cirrus1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224649
 
The Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq concluded that Saddam "was aware of Ansar al-Islam and al-Qa'ida presence in northeastern Iraq, but the groups' presence was considered a threat to the regime and the Iraqi government attempted intelligence collection operations against them. The DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency] stated that information from senior Ansar al-Islam detainees revealed that the group viewed Saddam's regime as apostate, and denied any relationship with it."[7] The leader of Ansar al-Islam, Mullah Krekar, has also called Saddam Hussein his sworn enemy.[8]

Furthermore, in a "Special Analysis" report dated July 31, 2002, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded the following regarding alleged connections between Saddam's regime and Ansar al-Islam:

"Should regime support to Ansar al-Islam be proven, this will not necessarily implicate the regime in supporting al-Qa'ida. Ansar al- Islam is an independent organization that receives assistance from al- Qa'ida, but is not a branch of the group. The Iraqi regime seeks to influence and manipulate political events in the Kurdish-controlled north and probably has some type of assets in contact with Ansar al- Islam, either through liaison or through penetration by an intelligence asset."[9]

However, in February 2003, then United States Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations Security Council, "Baghdad has an agent in the most senior levels of the radical organization, Ansar al-Islam, that controls this corner of Iraq. In 2000 this agent offered Al Qaida safe haven in the region. After we swept Al Qaida from Afghanistan, some of its members accepted this safe haven."[10] The general consensus of experts, as well as the conclusion of the intelligence community and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, is that Saddam was infiltrating the group but that the two parties remained hostile to each other and did not establish a collaborative relationship.

Colin Powell has since acknowledged that his speech presented no hard evidence of collaboration between Saddam and al-Qaeda; he told reporters at a State Department press conference that "I have not seen smoking gun, concrete evidence about the connection, but I do believe the connections existed."[11] However, after Powell left office, he acknowledged that he was skeptical of the evidence presented to him for the speech. He told Barbara Walters in an interview that he considered the speech a "blot" on his record and that he feels "terrible" about assertions that he made in the speech that turned out to be false. He said, "There were some people in the intelligence community who knew at that time that some of these sources were not good, and shouldn't be relied upon, and they didn't speak up. That devastated me." When asked specifically about a Saddam/al-Qaeda connection, Powell responded, "I have never seen a connection. … I can't think otherwise because I'd never seen evidence to suggest there was one."[12]

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To: DizzyG who wrote (51390)10/13/2008 8:16:55 PM
From: cirrus1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224649
 
There is more to the interview with Abed. A study of Ansar Al-Islam suggests it was not "bin Laden's group. If legitimate, the interview suggests his organization was more an anti Kurd group hostile to the Shia - a continuation of the 400 years of civil strife between the Shia and Suni. The link to al-Quida is far from conclusive. In the shadow world of post Saddam Iraq, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and while there may have been connections, they were directed more to local enemies and Saddam that the US.

I would suggest that the Senate 9/11 committe, Sec Powell and Rumsfeld were right in their retroactive assessments and conclusions.

Abed: I want to say one thing. Lieutenant Muhammad respected me and gave me food. I never thought it would be like this. He gave me food, and we had lunch together, and the honorable lieutenant-colonel gave me some Pepsi. I never believed Shiites could show such respect and care. We were taught by people like Mullah Al-Raikan that Shi'a is not Islam.

Investigator: You mean we show you respect and you slaughter us?

Abed: Yes. Mullah Al-Raikan thinks so, and he said so more than once.

Investigator: That's what they think.

Abed: Yes, that Shiites are not Muslims, that they worship the Imam Ali and do not accept Muhammad