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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (51542)10/14/2008 4:09:21 PM
From: TideGlider3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224744
 
Not hedging at all. He was tied tightly to Ayres and Rezko.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (51542)10/14/2008 4:11:24 PM
From: TideGlider4 Recommendations  Respond to of 224744
 
Kenneth you can claim people shouldn't be concerned about Obama's past, but it doesn't change it and it doesn't change how people feel about associations with those animals.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (51542)10/14/2008 4:14:42 PM
From: TideGlider  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224744
 
Ayres and his wife Dorn are animals tragically gifted with money and position. His first would be wife was killed in one of their bomb mishaps. However he wouldn't marry "out of the family"...

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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (51542)10/14/2008 4:20:42 PM
From: TideGlider1 Recommendation  Respond to of 224744
 
Political Punch
Power, pop, and probings from ABC News Senior National Correspondent Jake Tapper

Jake Tapper is ABC News' Senior National Correspondent based in the network's Washington bureau. He writes about politics and popular culture and covers a range of national stories.


Stormy Weather
April 10, 2008 10:34 AM

An argument pushed by the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has not been fully vetted.

As Clinton-backing Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell told us last week "she's been really well vetted, all the bad stuff is by and large out there, and there are no surprises. With Sen. Obama I think the right now he may run, a little stronger in some areas -- not the key states -- but in some areas against Sen McCain, but understand that he hasn't been vetted." Rendell said there was 10% about Clinton that "we don't know yet" and "about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet."

Which brings us to William Ayres.

Ayres is Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and founder of both the Small Schools Workshop and the Center for Youth and Society.

He also spent the 1970s as a fugitive from justice, as a member of the Weather Underground, after the domestic terrorist group, preparing to attack an Army base, accidentally exploded a Greenwich Village townhouse killing three of their own members. Ayres later married feather Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, then on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List.

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Ayres told the New York Times in 2001 upon publication of his memoir about that era, "Fugitive Days." ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

As celebrated members of the Chicago liberal world, Ayres and Obama have some connections.

They served on a board together when Obama was a state senator. Ayres donated $200 to Obama's campaign in 2001. They sat on a panel together in 2002 called "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis." Obama went to Ayres and Dohrn's home in 1995 to be introduced to some of the more influential liberals in the area by the state senator he was preparing to succeed, Alice Palmer.

(Palmer, who changed her mind about not running for reelection for her state senate seat after being defeated in a US House race, was later unable to get on the ballot because Obama challenged her petitions to do so, in some hardball Chicago-style politics, a whole other interesting story.)

"Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school," Obama senior strategist David Axelrod told the Politico. "They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together." (Ayres' kids are actually much older than Obama's but Dohrn is still active at the school.)

"We can relitiigate again and again these 40-year-old battles," Axelrod said. "He thinks what was done then was wrong and outrageous, and he believes that you can’t defend the indefensible – but he’s looking forward, he’s not looking back."

"Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence," Obama spokesman Bill Burton told the New York Sun when asked about the connection. "But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost 40 years ago is ridiculous."

Is that enough for you? Perhaps it is. Perhaps you think this is all a silly political smear.

But should Obama get the nomination, what will moderate and swing voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Missouri think of it all? Will they think Obama is able to transcend partisan divisions if he's been supported by Ayres?

The proverbial Republican attack machine is chugging along on this -- see THIS CLIP from last night's "Hannity & Colmes" on Fox News, featuring Karl Rove making much hay out of this connection, however tenuous, and Ayres speaking at the University of North Dakota saying he doesn't regret anything he did against the government.

There is a tendency in the Obama campaign to not take these types of stories seriously. That is a "perfect world" approach to politics. In a perfect world, some might argue, we would be debating policy in Iraq, the economy and health care. We wouldn't have discussions about whether Al Gore claimed he invented the internet, or George W. Bush got a DUI in the 1970s, we wouldn't talk about Swift Boat Vet for truth claims that contradict official Naval records.

But that's not the world we live in. Yes, the mainstream media is complicit in that, but there are other forces at play. Paid TV ads, the internet, cable news, talk radio -- sources of information, and misinformation that have an impact on the electorate, necessitating that the mainstream media cover stories having an influence on the election even if they did not originate in the mainstream media. We of course are obligated to fact check them and deal with them responsibly and the mainstream media does not always rise to the challenge.

But campaigns have to know how to deal with such stories as well.

Former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, has not endorsed Obama precisely because he worries Obama is not tough enough to deal with attacks such as these, such as the fact that this Ayres story is still out there, with very little pushback from Obama -- or even, frankly, any acknowledgment as to why some voters might not like the idea of Obama being friendly with a man such as Ayres.

This Stevenson-esque (Adlai, not McLean) regard for fighting these stories is likely a reason we haven’t seen a stampede of superdelegates over to Obama to end this never-ending primary season.

What do you think?

- jpt

blogs.abcnews.com



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (51542)10/14/2008 4:41:31 PM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation  Respond to of 224744
 
SF 1st grade class field trip - to gay wedding - ah, how sweet:

Same-Sex Marriage and Education
In my post last week I made the point that one consequence of the state sanctioning same-sex marriage would be that the same-sex lobby would be able to use our schools to normalize homosexuality. "No on 8" proponents counter my argument by assuring us that this is not the intention at all behind the legalizing of same-sex marriage in California. Somebody from the "No on 8" campaign should have told that to eighteen first graders who attended the wedding of their lesbian school teacher just recently.

Providentially, I received this notice from a good friend just today:
NEWS RELEASE Contact: Chip White, 916-215-4392 and For Immediate Release Sonja Eddings Brown, 818-993-4508

First Graders Taken To San Francisco City Hall For Gay Wedding

SAN FRANCISCO, October 11 - In the same week that the No on 8 campaign launched an ad that labeled as "lies" claims that same-sex marriage would be taught in schools to young children, a first grade class took a school-sponsored trip to a gay wedding. Eighteen first graders traveled to San Francisco City Hall Friday for the wedding of their teacher and her lesbian partner, The San Francisco Chronicle reported. The school sponsored the trip for the students, ages 5 and 6, taking them away from their studies for the same-sex wedding. According to the Yes on 8 campaign, the public school field trip demonstrates that the California Supreme Court's decision to legal same-sex marriage has real consequences.

"Taking children out of school for a same-sex wedding is not customary education. This is promoting same-sex marriage and indoctrinating young kids," said Yes on 8--ProtectMarriage.com Campaign Co-Manager Frank Schubert. "I doubt the school has ever taken kids on a field trip to a traditional wedding," Schubert said.

When asked by the Yes on 8 campaign, The San Francisco Chronicle reporter said she did not know if the school had ever sponsored a field trip for students to a traditional wedding. Telling the Chronicle that the field trip was "a teachable moment," the school's principal believes it is perfectly appropriate for first graders to attend a same-sex wedding. Officials in other school districts disagree.

"Prop. 8 protects our children from being taught in public schools that 'same-sex marriage' is the same as traditional marriage," said Santa Ana Unified School District board member Rosemarie "Rosie" Avila. "We should not accept a court decision that results in public schools teaching our kids that gay marriage is okay. That is an issue for parents to discuss with their children according to their own values and beliefs. It shouldn't be forced on us against our will," Avila added.

The lesbian teacher's wedding was officiated by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. Newsom is featured in a Yes on 8 television ad, released last week, in which he arrogantly declares of same-sex marriage: "The door's wide open now. It's gonna happen, whether you like it or not."

The Yes on 8 campaign's ads explain that if the voters do not overturn the California Supreme Court's same-sex marriage ruling, teachers will be required to teach young children that there is no difference between gay marriage and traditional marriage.

"It's totally unreasonable that a first grade field trip would be to a same-sex wedding," said Chip White, Press Secretary for Yes on 8. "This is overt indoctrination of children who are too young to understand it."

The field trip underscores the Yes on 8 campaign's message that unless Prop. 8 passes, children will be taught about same-sex marriage in public schools. "Not only can it happen, it has already happened," White said.
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Media contacts:
Northern & Central California (Sacramento Press Office): Chip White, 916-215-4392
Los Angeles & Southern California: Sonja Eddings Brown, 818-993-4508

Protect Marriage, 915 L Street, # C-259, Sacramento, CA 95814
For more information, visit www.ProtectMarriage.com
evangelicaloutpost.com

What is the purpose of taking a first grade class on a field trip to a gay wedding? Kids don't go on school field trips to any other weddings, not even their own teachers.

Similarly, there wasn't any valid reason for the CA Supreme Court recently tell a Christian doctor they had to provide fertility services to a lesbian, Or for the NM human rights commission to fine a photographer for declining to accept a photography job for a gay wedding. Or for MA to tell the Catholic church it had to arrange adoptions for gay couples or get out of the adoption arrangement business. There were certainly plenty of alternatives in each of these cases willing to provide the services.

It looks an awful lot like gay marriage is an excuse to stick fingers in people's eyes. Use the power of the state to force social acceptance. You're going to accept us dammit or else, seems to be the underlying theme. Who are the folks determined to force their moral values on others here?

thks to Brumar



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (51542)10/14/2008 8:21:38 PM
From: MJ5 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224744
 
Kenneth, since you haven't answered the question I ask about 6 months ago as to whether or not Jessie Jackson had endorsed Obama------here is your answer, all the way from France.

Of course the French can't vote and the mid-East that Jackson wants to appease can't vote.

nypost.com

What will this do to the Jewish vote?