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To: Rambi who wrote (90170)	10/15/2008 3:29:42 PM
From: Sam	Respond to of 541955

I am not sure though how MIckey Mouse being registered to vote translates into a vote for Obama. What happens to registrations that make it somehow past the safeguard procedure? A VR card gets sent out? But the addresses are made up too, so that doens't make sense. I am confused. It doesn't matter that it doesn't hold up to any analysis, and the entire purpose of making a big deal about it is--to confuse people into thinking it is a big deal. It doesn't matter that it doesn't result in any fraudulent votes. It only matters that people like your mominlaw think that it does, believe that it is sleazy, and base their vote on that fact rather than on any issues (except of course, things like abortion and keeping the Homeland safe, which McCain has assured all of us he knows how to do).

To: Rambi who wrote (90170)	10/15/2008 5:49:19 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541955

There is a list of the complaints against ACORN here that seems pretty factual: I don't have time to look your link carefully right now, Rambi. I'm tied up in meetings for the rest of the evening right up to the debate. And then I will definitely not work on this. Help me remember to take a look tomorrow. However, just quickly. pajamasmedia is, as I recall, a fairly RW blog. So, to do justice to the issue, I would have to track beyond it to see about the claims. As for your statement that the Obama campaign "donated heavily" to ACORN, the only thing I've seen is what Obama said, that sometime back they used an adjunct group for some work--I don't think it was voter registration, something else--and paid them $800k. Perhaps I'll get back to this tomorrow. But I would need something fairly solid to believe that ACORN itself is a problem. At the moment, I'm willing to believe they provided sloppy oversight to folk they hired to do voter registration. That's all. From my experience with them, "sloppy oversight" is definitely a possibility. They were not accountants or managers. Just wonderful, dedicated community organizers working on housing for the poor. Better folk you could not find.

To: Rambi who wrote (90170)	10/15/2008 7:48:33 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541955

>>There is a list of the complaints against ACORN here that seems pretty factual<< Rambi - The list appears to be a combination of some factual statements, and some statements that aren't well supported by evidence. In many cases, the number of invalid registrations is very small. In North Carolina, just 100. In Ohio, the New York Post reports that "a Cleveland man" claims to have been given cash and cigarettes to register 72 times. In other cases, such as the one in Indiana where the election board stopped processing 5,000 forms turned in just before the deadline, after the first 2,100 were clearly phony, there is obviously a real problem. It looks like ACORN needs to change its hiring practices, and it needs to do a better job of pre-screening registrations. However, there is still no evidence, as far as I've seen, that anyone has ever intended to vote using these false registrations. It's also important to remember that while investigations are underway, that doesn't in itself prove that the charges against ACORN are all true. - Allen