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To: Cogito who wrote (90345)	10/16/2008 2:22:29 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 541920

<<<I just don't see the problem.>>> Somebody has to explain it to them. They see government taking money out of the pockets of hardworking, righteous living, middle class families and putting the money in the pockets of lazy welfare recipients. They will just ignore whatever Obama has to say about priorities, investing in education, providing healthcare, incentivising alternative energy development, improving infrastructure and trying to balance the budget by eliminating wasteful spending (eg the war, etc) and increasing revenue (eliminating tax cuts for the extremely wealthy,etc). They don't understand that sometimes being cheap or cruel (not providing health care, not investing in education, not feeding the hungry) is very expensive on a sustainable basis.

To: Cogito who wrote (90345)	10/16/2008 2:45:06 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541920

I don't know of any Obama plan to take money from one group's pockets and put it directly into the hands of another group. Everything is not about Obama, you know. <g> And most certainly not about this election. There are underlying first principles. One of my hobby horses is what my father used to call "the world doesn't owe you a living." I've seen that change. I don't find it healthy. We are encroaching on "to each according to his needs, from each according to his means." I find it the most worrisome trend of my lifetime. Obama is just a bit player in it. Well, maybe more than a bit, but my reaction is not to him so much as to the trend. This worrisome trend of mine is foundational to American Liberalism 101. Obama is part of that school. He illustrated it with that statement, which is, indeed, a Rorschach test. His comment last night snapped me to attention instantly and reminded me of that. (Kind of like Reagan saying "states rights.") I agree that proposals he is pushing in the campaign are pretty moderate, actually, which is the only reason I ever even considered voting for him. I'm sure I've said here several times that I find his health care proposal rather reasonable. But he has a lot of that entitlement crap on his website, my personal favorite being his plan to bring ex-cons up to standard with tons of counseling and education, and his roots in the trend show up in his rhetoric. His rhetoric makes me wince a lot. Hard to tell how he would actually govern.