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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: cirrus who wrote (51963)10/17/2008 11:11:59 AM
From: Ann Corrigan2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224700
 
Obama set $250,000 as the cut-off point where his onerous taxes would be triggered. It's deception on his part of course - as in the past, Democrats habitually lower the criteria for raising taxes to a larger demographic - eventually the higher taxes would apply to lower income Americans as well.

Here are the facts on Democrats' JTPDS = Joe the Plumber Derangement Syndrome from michellemalkin.com:

Joe The Plumbers are everywhere. They’re speaking up in Tennessee:

Joe Schwark, owner of JMS Plumbing in Spring Hill, said he has a general distrust of politicians, but appreciated the recognition of his craft.

“Personally, I don’t think either of them is what the country needs,” he said. “But it is what it is.”

Schwark said he agrees with the original Joe the plumber’s problem with raising taxes for people who earn more than $250,000 a year. Taxes are the plight of the small-business owner, he said.

“I work for every penny,” he said. “Taxes are what kills me, and if either of them raise taxes, it hurts people like me. You know, we jump though hoops as business owners. There is liability and vehicle insurance, and there are gas prices. For every dollar that comes in, it’s going out.”
ArMatey at STACLU dissects the controversy:

Now let me tell you that many news outlets are getting the story right, that Joe’s boss, Mr. Newell (in business since 1974, God bless you sir, I’m sure you could never have imagined all this happening to you in America), is in fact licensed in Lucas County. How do I know? Because the State of Ohio’s computers told me so, and they would tell the media the same if they looked…like I did.

Mr. Newell is licensed. He is licensed in Lucas County. His license number starts with the digits 329 and then has two more digits. I don’t see any need to post more identifying information about innocent people. Search here, plug in the right parameters, and you can download the list of all licensed plumbers in Lucas County, Ohio. It is not difficult, though you have to provide information about yourself as the requester of the information.

So I got this list of licensees.

Mr. Newell is on that list. And if I read the rules of apprenticeship correctly (I am not an Ohio attorney, and yes I could be reading it wrong), the reported date of November 2003 as the date of filing of Joe’s apprenticeship papers seems to be just fine. According to this,

“The Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board (O.C.I.L.B.), Department of Commerce, Division of Industrial Compliance, issues state commercial licenses to the following contractors: electrical, HVAC, hydronics, plumbing, and refrigeration. To receive a state license, an applicant must meet the following requirements: 1) be at least 18 years of age; 2) be a United States citizen or a legal alien-must provide proof of being a legal alien; 3) either have been a tradesperson in the type of licensed trade for which the application is filed for not less than five years immediately prior to the date the application is filed, currently be a registered engineer in this state with three years of business experience in the construction industry in the trade for which the engineer is applying to take the examination, or have other experience acceptable to the appropriate section of the board; 4) not have been convicted of or plead guilty to a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude or of any felony; 5) pass the examination in the trade; 6) carry minimum $500,000 contractor liability coverage; 7) pay the applicable fees”

So here’s the point. Many news outlets have gotten it correct, but some have not and that needs to be corrected. Mr. Newell is licensed, and Joe the Plumber is just short of his five years before he can apply for licensure, but as supervised by Newell, he’s o.k.. You can look at screen captures of the entire list of Lucas County licensed plumbers here (part 1) and here (part 2). And as we read the news stories about local officials mobilizing to put Joe out of work, (quote: “A staff person with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection told On Call this afternoon that her division will contact Wurzelbacher to notify him that he can’t work without a license. “We’re trying to track him down,” she said”), consider the following:

Not one of the officers of Local 50 of the union shop of plumbers is on the list of licensees. Disclaimer: I don’t care that none of them are on the list, and I know that not necessarily every one of the union officers are plumbers at all, as they also represent other trades. That said, their spokesman is on record slamming Joe about licensure.

michellemalkin.com



To: cirrus who wrote (51963)10/17/2008 1:04:56 PM
From: MJ3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224700
 
Cirrus

OBAMA TALKING POINTS

Obama's tax plan is just that all talk. The fact is no tax plan will be enacted without the approval of Congress even a Democrat stacked congress.

Obama's tax plan has yet to be laid out in minute detail----------all talk-----all campaign talking points----.

Obama's tax plan, if it were to be enacted, will be a massive ripoff of the American people----a takeover by the Federal Government of every facet of our lives.

Obama has no National American experience-----Obama has used taxpayer dollars and his 2 years as U.S. Senator to run for President.

Obama has used those 2 years to tour America,(certainly anyone running for President of a nation would know the nation and its people before they begin a Presidential campaign)

Obama did not know the historical facts of the Civil Rights Movement just as he did not know the historical facts of WWII ----showing his ignorance and a real insult to Americans

Obama has no recognized international experience-----NADA, NONE, ZERO-------

Obama took a tour of Europe and the Mid-East at taxpayer and contributors' expense in an attempt to make it look like he had international experience---- to build his resume.

Obama, in a private trip, interfered with the election in Kenya that resulted in Christians being slaughtered ----when he visited his relatives in Kenya.

Obama regularly denies individuals that he has associated with throughout his life--------the list is long and begins with the Rev. Wright

Obama has yet to present documentation that he is a citizen of the United States of America and qualifies for the office of President based upon citizenship.

Obama has never traveled South of the border of the United States and Mexico.

Obama has been endorsed by Fidel Castro

Obama was against NAFTA when talking to the voters in 2007 in the mid-West then places a private call to Canada to assure that NAFTA was in place. Duplicitous Obama.

Obama, a mere Community Organizer, joined a church to be a part of the community to run for office----stated by Obama.

Obama attended the Rev. Wright's Church for 20 years----nodding and applauding to Wright's message yet claimed he never heard him. (Demonstrates Obama's self absorption and his ability to trump up an excuse---commonly called lieing---being a prevaricator.)

Obama left the Rev. Wright's Church, just too hot for Obama to stay and take the heat---like Judas I never knew him, the man that Obama claimed to be his friend, mentor and led him to Christ.

Obama's Senate Campaign began in the home of William Ayers and his wife-------"the bombing terrorists of their own land---our land, America"---------and Obama denied he ever knew him or her.

Obama worked in the law firm where Rezko was a client--denied he had an affiliation with Rezko.

Obama bought his mansion in Chicago with Rezko's help--is this the tip of the ice berg with Rezko?

Obama has mentored ACORN from the first moment he stepped off of the bus or plane from New York to Chicago

Obama paid ACORN almost a million dollars for their services in the current campaign------will ACORN pay taxes?

Obama gave up his law license-------not even a lawyer now

Obama takes foreign illegal money as campaign contributions..

Obama never served in the military in any way.

Obama is ignorant about the Christian religion and America---Obama has insulted Christians in America with his denigrating of the Biblical Scripture-----the worst being the Sermon on the Mount.

Obama has a bowling score of 36 or 38.

Lunch hour over mj