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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9036)	10/21/1997 8:05:00 PM
From: Jack Zahran	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

'Jesus came not to contradict the law but to fulfill it.' The Earthly Paradise was Gods original purpose. The fact that some have a heavenly hope does not preclude the earthly hope that was extended to all faithfull mankind from the beginning. His "will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven." Why do many believe it has to be one or the other. There are two hopes and they complement each other. God did not make a mistake, his purpose cannot be thwarted by Satan or his dupes. God's will will be done on Earth and for those who have a hope of heavenly life, I hope they enjoy their privilege. The Kingdom of God and of his Son, will include both the Heaven and the Earth. Rev 21:3-5 puts it best: "...Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and their shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall their be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon that throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these are true and faithful." Imagine the time when all mankind on Earth will be God's faithful subjects. Imagine no more death or sorrow. 'Death where is your sting.' God's purpose for the Earth fulfilled. Both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures point to this, only the Christian scriptures adds the additional hope of heavenly life for those who would work along side Jesus in governing the Earth.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9036)	10/22/1997 9:21:00 AM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, I stand corrected. It was Ishmael I was thinking of not Esau. Not the first time I made a mistake and probably won't be the last. I'm not sure what you meant by: >>Those who continue to seek the Kingdom admit by their own words that they have never found it.<< Are you saying that because I confused the two events in my discussion that I haven't "found the kingdom of God." Explain. Does Emile make any mistakes?

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9036)	10/22/1997 9:36:00 AM
From: yard_man	Respond to of 39621

Emile, Yet God did care for Ishamael and his mother, correct? Do you think all of Ishamael's descendents were "lost?" Talked about this last night at our Bible study. God promised Abraham a son by Sarah. Yet, Sarah convinced Abraham to do something additional in the interim and Ishmael was born. In a way Abraham tried to "force" things instead of waiting on God's timing. God, however, was true to His promise and Isaac was born. Compare this to others in the O.T. who took it upon themselves to use their own wisdom instead of God's. Abraham's action had consequences but he was not generally reproved by God for it. Interested in your comments on that point. Interested in your comments on the reconciliation of Esau and Jacob. Esau went over time from thinking about killing Esau to wanting to be reconciled to him. Jacob didn't know what to expect. Do these things have anything to bear on the choices that God made with respect to both? We know that Jacob was especially chosen, but God used Esau too, right?