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To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/22/1997 10:05:00 AM
From: yard_man	Respond to of 39621

Jack -- this is not specifically directed to you I'm not an expert on the use of the word "kingdom" in the Bible. I just want to say this: "kingdom" is used in many different contexts and with a number of meanings even in the discourses of Jesus in the Gospels. It is not any easy subject. Sometimes the kingdom appears to be synonomous with "church." Sometimes kingdom has a broader meaning including both all of creation and extent in time as well. All I'm saying is let's not beat each other over the head if we interpret a specific scripture differently than a brother. There is no doubt in my mind that with continued study and prayer each of our respective understanding of the term as it is used in many different contexts can be improved.

To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/22/1997 1:44:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

How do we enter into the Kingdom of God? Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:3-8

To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/22/1997 1:53:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

Did Jesus cast out devils? Can Christians cast out devils today? YES and again YES! Therefore the Kingdom of God has come unto us. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Matt. 12:28

To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/22/1997 2:00:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

How do we receive the Kingdom of God? Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. Mark 10:15

To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/22/1997 2:11:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

Are riches and the love of riches an obstacle to men attempting to enter the Kingdom of God? Listen to the Words of Jesus! Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Mark 10:21-25

To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/22/1997 2:33:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Can the Kingdom of God be observed with our fleshly eyes the way we observe a worldly kingdom, or is it observed through the power of God that enters the human heart by faith? God tells us, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Son of God and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall saved, Born-Again. This is how we enter into the Kingdom of God. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Luke 17:20

To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/22/1997 6:27:00 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Jack, my brother, I agree with you whole hearttedly. Do you study the Bible dispensationally? In Christ, James

To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/23/1997 10:53:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 39621

><>...The Kingdom of Heaven... the Kingdom of God... and the...><> church..... distinguished This statement of your Jack is what I believe to be a biblical truth, and wht not let the Bible speak! >>"History confirms that the pre-apostate first century Christians including the Apostles continued to wait for the Kingdom of God to be exercised on the earth. A tangible kingdom. Yes the Kingdom of God has exercised its will in the heavens, but we await the establishment of it on the earth. Yes, the apostles and others anointed with holy spirit reign with christ in the heavens, but the others are looking for God's will to be done on the earth as Jesus promised>>". For a true understanding of the New Testament, it is essential that we "rightly divide the word of truth" as to the various usages of the word kingdom in all the different combinations and contexts in which we find it. Each has its own peculiar and particular sense, which must not be confuse with the other. As to the word Kingdom basileia in the greek # 932 in Strongs, it denotes sovereignty, which requires the actual presence of a sovereign or a king. There can be no kingdom apart from a king. Everyone knows of a country which was once a kingdom, but is now a "republic" because of the plain and simple fact that it no longer governed by a king, but instead is governed by the public, which is sovereign. The country remains the same, same people, same cities, same rivers, same mountains, everything the same,except it is no longer a kingdom. The common practice of taking the Kingdom as meaning the church has been the source of incalculable error, and not "trying the things that differ", (Phil.1:10), has led to great confusion in the interpretation of the entire NT. I challenge all to dig deep and study for themselves the following definitions, in hope of seeing the differences in the clear light of the Gospel. 1. The Kingdom of Heaven. The word "heaven" is generally in this connection is generally in the plural, of (or from)the "heavens". For a clearer understanding of the above, i.e. the differences of the use of singular and plural study Matt.6:9-10...(v.9 is plural, 10 is singular because it is in contrast with earth. Had it been singular in v.9 it would have been implied that our Father was in heaven, but not on earth. In the greek the two clauses are reversed:"as in heaven[so] upon earth also. It is the dispensational term; and is used sometimes of the Messiah's kingdom on earth, and sometimes of the heavenly sovereignty over the earth. It is not form or out of this world( Gr.cosmos)..John 18:36.. It was to this end He was born,and this was the first subject of His ministry. That Kingdom( Matt. 4:17) was rejected, as was also the further proclamation of it in Acts 3:19-26( according to the prophetic parable of Matthew 22:2-7)Thenceforth the earthly realization of this kingdom was postponed, and is now in abeyance until the King shall be sent from heaven (Acts 3:20) The secrets of this Kingdom (Matt.13:11) pertained to the postponement of its earthly realization, on account of its being rejected. 2. The Kingdom of God is the sovereignity of God, which is moral and universal. It existed from the beginning and has no end. It is over all and embraces all. Will continue ASAP. 2 Cor 13:14 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. Have a blessed evening all Shalom...><>

To: Jack Zahran who wrote (9042)	10/23/1997 11:58:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 39621

><> ... The Kingdom and the church distinguished...><> Consider the following: 1.The subjects of the former are spoken of as "inheriting", or as being "heirs of the Kingdom"; but we cannot speak of inheriting or being heirs of "the church" 2.We read of the possibility of receiving the Kingdom, but in no sense can any church be spoken of as being received. 3.We read of the elders of the churches, messengers or servants of the churches, but never of the elders, messengers, and or servants of the kingdom. 4.We read of the "children (or sons) of the Kingdom" but the Bible knows nothing of the sons of the church. 5. The characteristics of each are distinct. 6.The names and appellatives of "the church" are never used of the kingdom.( Eph.1:23..,2:21..,4:4,16..,5:30..,Col.1:24..,1Tim.3:15) 7.The privilege of "that church" which consists of the partakers of a "heavenly calling"( Heb.3:1, Rev.20:4-6, will be to reign with Christ over the earthly Kingdom, whereas that Kingdom will under the whole heaven Dan.7:27 8.The "church of the prison Epistles (Eph.,Phil.,Col.) is here and now, in the world, and is waiting for its exanastasis, and its "heavenward call"(Phil.3:11,14) whereas the Kingdom is not here because the king is not here (Heb.2:8) 9.The Kingdom is one great subject of prophecy; whereas the church (of the prison Epistles) is not the subject of prophecy, but on the contrary, was kept secret, and hidden in God, until the time came for the secret to be revealed. The beloved Son of God made the head over all things to His ekklesia church...which is His body, the fullness of Him that filleth all in all (Eph.1:10,20-23)...This sovereignty had been kept secret(Rom.16:25.) hid in God, (Eph.3:9) hid from ages and from generations (Col.1:25).But after the Kingdom proclaimed by our Lord and by them that heard Him (Heb.2:4) had been postponed, it was revealed and made known (Eph.3) for the obedience of faith (Rom.16:26). Will continue again at another time....but there is quite a bit here to prayerfully consider. Gal 5:22-25 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Have a blessed evening all Shalom...><>