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To: Rambi who wrote (276851)	10/26/2008 6:53:40 PM
From: Bearcatbob	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793963

"I realize that no one here sees this as a possibility, but I think a lot of the independent vote is placing hope in Obama's ability to communicate and unite. We could be wrong. But if so, as with 8 years of Bush, we will survive." Oh - I think it is possible - but please show me any evidence of where he has done it?

To: Rambi who wrote (276851)	10/26/2008 6:55:01 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793963

It takes more than communication to run this country.....judgment is key.

To: Rambi who wrote (276851)	10/26/2008 7:31:09 PM
From: greenspirit	13 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793963

Obama has run the most divisive campaign I've ever seen. And the supporters he represents on the far left are the nastiest people I've ever read online. I suspect many of them at Democrat Underground and KOS are foreigners who are using the internet to tear down America. But, Obama went to their convention and supported their efforts. The first thing he did on day one when Sarah Palin was announced is attack. And he and his supporters have done nothing else since. Dialogue is the last thing Obama is interested in. He has no interest in reaching across the aisle and finding common ground on important issues. McCain is the only one with a real track record in that regard. So, if finding common ground is your ideal, then you should place your "hope" on a track record, which at least gives you an opportunity for success. Obama+Reid+Pelosi = Huge leftist divisiveness.

To: Rambi who wrote (276851)	10/27/2008 3:31:36 AM
From: KLP	3 Recommendations Respond to of 793963

Rambi...we're watching the DVD's of the John Adama HBO series again this weekend and tomorrow night. I'd personally feel much better about this election if EVERY SINGLE VOTER in this country watched the entire series before they voted. Maybe then, some who don't know a whit of American History, would actually know how absolutely splendid this country is when they realize what it actually took to form the foundations of our new government.... One of the biggest reasons that the Republicans are so negative to Obama is just reading and actually listening to him spread his "spread the wealth" ideas. The country was founded on Individual Freedoms and as a Democracy IN A REPUBLIC. We were not formed to continue taxation without representation. The government was to "provide for the common defense" period. It was not formed to "spread the wealth of our own labors to others," unless it was our personal choice, not mandated by government. Bottom line: We have a choice between Individual Freedoms under the Law, or Socialism. BTW....I know you know this....but really, looks like many people don't. We will be very sorry for ourselves and for our children, if somehow, we have Socialism thrust upon us.

To: Rambi who wrote (276851)	10/27/2008 12:52:16 PM
From: mph	13 Recommendations Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 793963

Obama is 70+ year old, same old same old liberal socialist policies wrapped up in a new package, pretending to be something different. If, as you say, independents are placing hope on Obama due to his "ability to communicate and unite", that's only because such people are incapable of anything but superficial analysis and/or because the MSM has failed to do its job. The country was subjected to the same liberal Democrat policies Obama espouses under the New Deal and in the Great Society, and more recently in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac debacle for which the liberal Dems bear a lion's share of responsibility. Socialism has basically failed where it's been tried. European countries have lost their edge because of socialist policies. Nationwide strikes constantly being called. Entitlement mentality about lengthy vacations. High tax rates. Lessened incentives to succeed. Restrictions on free speech. Obama ran for state senate on a socialist party ticket. During this campaign, he gaffed and admitted that he is for redistribution of wealth, so he killed the messenger, Joe the Plumber. Can you even begin to justify what happened to that man as a result of the tactics of Barack Obama? The Obama campaign has behaved like jack booted thugs in its efforts to silence opposing voices. BO himself told supporters to "get in the face" of the opposition, via email he instructed minions to clog phone lines to talk shows to silence opponents. His lawyers have written threatening letters to keep ads from airing just because he disliked the content. These tactics bear no resemblance to the "peace and hope" articulated by drugged out hippies. They sure don't sound like the tactics of a "uniter" either. So, I do not believe Obama is a unifier. He may talk the talk to some who are willing to suspend disbelief, as though they were reading some novel, but he sure doesn't walk the walk and never has. Had the MSM actually vetted Obama, instead of actively shielding him from scrutiny, he would never have received his party's nomination, let alone be in contention for the Presidency at this time. BO found many willing accomplices in the persons of radical leftists and media personalities who dream of being part of something historic. I view anyone deemed "untouchable" by the media with suspicion. What are they hiding? Just ask yourself why no one from his past has stood up for Obama? All his endorsers are recent endorsers or people who did not know him back in the day. The only people who associated with Obama and who could speak for him are undesirable, from Frank Davis to Bill Ayers, from Wright to Odinga to ACORN personnel. Why did BO surround himself with such people if he did not subscribe to their beliefs? Basically, I do not believe Obama shares the goals of the "right." He is about empowerment of government (and himself by extension) and subjugating the population by income redistribution and creating even more dependence on government. BO has not been forthright about his true beliefs during this campaign, which is why he overreacted so much to the Freudian slip from his Joe the Plumber encounter.