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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: neolib who wrote (23167)	10/26/2008 10:33:51 PM
From: Maurice Winn	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Neo, you surely know that the sun going out was not a serious suggestion and was literary license. Good point about the pointlessness of an equal odds bet. We might as well bet on a coin toss. So, let's put some bait out there for you. I'll throw in $1,000 for you for merely taking the bet, whether you win or lose. How often do you get somebody offering $1,000 to you merely for taking a coin toss bet? What's more, I'll pay the money on arrangement of the bet, without waiting for the peak! Explaining the Greenhouse Effect is a little more complex than saying "It's like a glass-house". I mean actually saying what happens in all the gory details including convection, cloud formation, snow deposition, albedo changes etc. Most people think it's something to do with acid rain, CFCs, the ozone layer, [though those have been out of the news for so long that I suppose most people these days wouldn't know about them - maybe most now think there's a layer of carbon acting like a blanket]. Mqurice

To: neolib who wrote (23167)	10/26/2008 10:46:49 PM
From: average joe	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

“When the number of factors coming into play in a phenomenological complex is too large scientific method in most cases fails. One need only think of the weather, in which case the prediction even for a few days ahead is impossible.” Albert Einstein

To: neolib who wrote (23167)	10/27/2008 11:06:30 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 36917

when all data shows CO2 has no driving effect on climate temperature all you have is a nonsense of ridicule the analogy, it's as simple as the greenhouse effect. A green house is heated by conduction of absorbed heat on surfaces to the surrounding air. As the air warms it rises. Gravity is the force that moves the air. Also water in plants and the soil evaporates and cools the surface. h20 gas also makes the air lighter causing it to rise. A closed green house will trap the heated air and prevent cooler outside air from entering and cooling. If you open windows and roof vents you will get convection and can lower the temperature of the green house or one's car by tens of degrees in minutes. The car is a perfect analogy of a green house with usually a lot less moisture. It depends on if yours fail or not. Your in denial stupidity on the true operation of the cooling mechanism of green houses is your confession of total science illiteracy. And by the way, a green house using quartz glass gets hotter as good part of the 44% of the heat energy of the sun that is in the infrared also enters the green house as it is not blocked by the glass. Proving also what a total ass and fool posts hiding behind and anonymous handle.