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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (92291)	10/28/2008 4:48:20 PM
From: Rambi	Respond to of 541747

Rogue plumber! Joe Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plumber," on Tuesday twice agreed with a claim from an audience member at a John McCain rally that "a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for the death to Israel."

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (92291)	10/28/2008 5:00:42 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 541747

<<<"When the contributors are in the minority, then what?" Then we'll have arrived at a level of technology where the means of production are almost exclusively machine based. >>> Actually, people who really add value are in the minority even now. The future will be all about IP. Most people will have to be subsidised. Some more than others. For most of those people in the red states, they should not be trying to stick it to the "welfare queens".

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (92291)	10/28/2008 5:07:42 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541747

In fact, "reasonable" is often used in conjunction with, or as a synonym for, the word "fair." Only sloppily. Different concepts. One is about reason and the other is about bias. The former is the fodder of the mind, the latter of the emotions. You can tell a lot about the temperament of people by the words they use. Amorphous, touch-feely words make me itch. At least that's my feeling reaction. My reasoning reaction is that they are not useful because they are mushy. And, by the way, you can't "demonstrate" either fairness or reasonableness. You can, indeed, demonstrate reasonableness. That's the very essence for reasonableness--whether you can make a coherent logical case for it. One can recognize a demonstrated case independent of agreement with it. The only situation in which you can demonstrate fairness is where there is an established set of rules, which enables you to confirm that the rules were applied. That's the basis for union personnel rules. If it follows the rules, it's deemed fair. In the absence of pre-defined rules, fairness is a matter of wild-assed perception. And will the people who are not needed for production find satisfaction in their lives? You mock me... <g>