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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (9)10/28/2008 9:34:06 PM
From: average joe  Respond to of 15
 
Interesting comment.

"Fascinating. I was particularly interested in the section on the Pope's view that reason can help man to know God. However, in his "Jesus of Nazareth", the pontiff seems to accept that the Sermon on the Mount is difficult for reason to swallow. In support of this, he cites remarks such as , "Woe to those who laugh." He further says that today people find it hard to reason themselves into religion. Is this because our underlying philosophy is no longer of the Greek or Platonic variety which led so many ancients to faith? And haven't some of the hardest blows against Platonism come from the Liberal thinkers who have, in a way, founded our society?

Few today use "Sophist" as a term of abuse. The weak sophist position - that knowledge may exist, but that we only gain a fragment of it - does battle with the strong sophist position - that knowledge is impossible - and Plato is cut out. Laughter is the natural weapon of this sceptical, sophistic tradition: "Blessed are the cheesemakers" - a much cleverer joke than is at first apparent. It packages all the objections to faith in one, clever, deflating parody. Who knows what was said? Doubting its provenance, can we accept the remark's authority? And so on. Elaborate, earnest, transported metaphysics are now looked on with contempt and some degree of horror. Admittedly, I share the wariness. Plato and slab faced orthodoxy have been responsible for some dreadful horrors - the whole history of communism, for example. And it is significant that jokes played their part in bringing the communist edifice down. We can gain our "transports" in the safety of the operal house - or can we?

For it is notable that a society based entirely on sceptical good living is strangely empty. Our operas - the really good ones - come from a past in which a host of beliefs were still available - honour, patriotism, fidelity and - of course - religion. One has the feeling that they gave life a certain ballast or depth. Communism has shown, above all, that one cannot simply reinvent human society or reattach faith to supposedly rational doctrines. Renewal must be a sort of Tory renewal - or revival, indeed, picking up the few threads of tradition which remain to us and patiently weaving them together again into Shelley's painted veil."



To: Tom Clarke who wrote (9)11/1/2008 6:26:29 PM
From: average joe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15
 
Quebec comedy duo talks porn and politics with oblivious Sarah Palin

MONTREAL — In an over-the-top accent, one half of a notorious Quebec comedy duo claims to be the president of France as he describes sex with his famous wife, the joy of killing animals and Hustler magazine's latest Sarah Palin porno spoof.

At the other end of the line? An oblivious Sarah Palin.

The Masked Avengers, a radio pairing notorious for prank calls to celebrities and heads of state, notched its latest victory Saturday when it released a recording of a six-minute call with Palin, who thought she was talking with Nicolas Sarkozy.

Throughout the call, which was making the rounds in U.S. political circles by day's end Saturday, Palin and the pranksters discuss politics, pundits, and the perils of going hunting with Vice-President Dick Cheney.

"We have such great respect for you, John McCain and I, we love you," Palin gushes, evidently unaware she's speaking to an infamous Quebec comedian named Marc-Antoine Audette.

At one point, Palin even comes close to confirming her intention to one day run for president, when Audette slyly remarks he can see her taking over the big desk in the Oval office.

"Maybe in eight years," she replies with a nervous chuckle.

Over the course of the interview, Palin doesn't seem to realize she's being tricked until Audette comes clean near the end of the call.

"Ohhhh . . . have we been pranked?" she says, in her inimitable style. Seconds later, Palin's aide can be heard taking the phone before the line goes dead.

Throughout the conversation, Audette drops plenty of clues that something's amiss.


He identifies French singer and actor Johnny Hallyday as his special adviser to the U.S., singer Stef Carse as Canada's prime minister and Quebec comedian and radio host Richard Z. Sirois as the provincial premier.

"We should go hunting together," Palin offers when Audette professes a love of hunting - or, more precisely, killing animals. "We can have a lot of fun together while we're getting work done. We could kill two birds with one stone."

Audette then jokes that they shouldn't bring Cheney on the hunt, referring to the 2006 incident in which the vice-president shot and injured a friend while hunting quail.

"I'll be a careful shot," responds Palin, who praises Sarkozy throughout the call.

"I look forward to working with you and getting to meet you personally - and your beautiful wife, oh my goodness," she says.

"You've added a lot of energy to your country with that beautiful family of yours."

Audette then tells her his wife, Carla Bruni, a singer and former model, was jealous to hear Sarkozy would be speaking to Palin. "Give her a big hug for me," Palin responds.

Audette goes on to describe Bruni as "hot in bed" and claims she's written a song for Palin, the French title of which translates as "Lipstick on a Pig." In English, Audette says the song is about Joe the Plumber.

Finally, he mentions a notorious Hustler video titled "Nailin' Paylin," describing it as "the documentary they made on your life."

"Oh, good, thank you, yes," Palin replies.

"That was really edgy," Audette says.

"Well, good."

In an interview Saturday, Audette told The Canadian Press it wasn't easy setting up the interview with Republican presidential candidate John McCain's running mate, and described the accomplishment as the pair's biggest triumph to date.

"It really took a lot of work," he said.

"We had to go through the Secret Service, the people in her entourage. It's the biggest coup so far. We're proud to add (this prank) to our top hits."

It took the pair, known for securing surreptitious interviews with celebrities, politicians and heads of state, five days to set up the call, Audette said. The secret to getting powerful people on the line? Time and persistence.

"I wanted to see how (Palin) was on an intellectual level," Audette said, comparing the latest prank to the duo's crank call with pop idol Britney Spears.

"You can see that she's, well, not really brilliant."

In a statement Saturday, Palin's team said the vice-presidential nominee was "mildly amused" to learn she was the victim of a prank.

"Gov. Palin was mildly amused to learn that she had joined the ranks of heads of state, including President Sarkozy, and other celebrities in being targeted by these pranksters," said spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt.

"C'est la vie."

Audette, too, was contrite afterward.

"I hope we won't have a one-way ticket to Guantanamo Bay."

The well-known radio prankster duo of Audette and Sebastien Trudel have most recently tricked Rolling Stones singer Mick Jagger. Other celebrity victims include Spears and Bill Gates.

In 2007, they conned Sarkozy himself by impersonating Prime Minister Stephen Harper. And their 2006 call to former French president Jacques Chirac was rated by the BBC as one of the top 30 all-time best moments in radio history.

Known as the "Masked Avengers," they've been popular on the Quebec comedy scene for a decade.

The Avengers, who have a regular show on Montreal radio station CKOI, will air the full interview on the eve of the U.S. elections. It can also be heard in full on their website

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