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To: bentway who wrote (161216)10/30/2008 12:07:08 PM
From: Jim McMannisRead Replies (4) | Respond to of 306849
 
Wall Street Won't Surrender Bonuses Amid Outcry, Veterans Say

By Christine Harper

Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Wall Street's chief executives will hunker down and pay bonuses this year in the face of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, a taxpayer bailout and mounting political outcry, industry veterans say.

Odds that Wall Street will forgo the payouts are ``slim to none,'' said John Gutfreund, 79, president of New York-based Gutfreund & Co. and the former chief executive officer of Salomon Brothers Inc. ``They're going to have to be a little bit sensitive because politicians, whether they like it or not, are part of their lives now.''

Year-end payments at the nine banks that received $125 billion from the U.S. Treasury are under investigation by U.S. Representative Henry Waxman and New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, who are demanding details on companies' compensation plans. Three of the firms, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch & Co., have already set aside $20 billion to pay bonuses this year.

The payouts typically account for about two-thirds of compensation at the biggest Wall Street firms. The bonuses are accrued throughout the year in line with revenue.

``Financial institutions that have accepted federal assistance should be required to face consequences from their earlier bad decisions and cancel those bonuses,'' Senator Olympia Snowe, a Maine Republican, said in a statement on Oct. 28.

Few of the nine companies receiving money from the U.S. Treasury are performing well this year. Only Well Fargo & Co. has a higher share price, up 6 percent this year, with the rest showing declines ranging from 18 percent at JPMorgan Chase & Co. to 72 percent at Morgan Stanley. State Street Corp. is the only firm to report increased profits. Merrill Lynch has reported five straight quarterly losses.

`Bonus Season'

``The public pressure might mitigate against bonuses at the levels we've seen recently and that's in sync with the economic issues,'' said Fred Joseph, 71, co-head of Morgan Joseph & Co. in New York and the former CEO of Drexel Burnham Lambert Inc. ``There will be bonuses this year, but I think they may be reduced by a larger percentage.''

Waxman, a California Democrat and chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent letters on Oct. 28 to the nine banks that are receiving money in the U.S. Treasury's capital purchase program requesting details of their compensation plans.

Cuomo sent letters yesterday to the nine companies requesting detailed accounting of expected payments to top executives in the ``upcoming bonus season,'' including information on the expected bonus pool for this year.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, both Democrats, urged Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to put restrictions on severance pay for executives that participate in the bailout.

Outrage

The nine companies receiving the initial $125 billion from the Trouble Asset Relief Program, of TARP, are Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America Corp., Bank of New York Mellon Corp. and State Street.

``Wall Street bank executives are set to walk away with billions of bonuses at the end of this year,'' Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, said in a campaign speech on Oct. 28. ``We call that an outrage.''

Citigroup, in an e-mailed statement, said it will cooperate with ``federal and state inquiries about our global expenditures for wages, health insurance and other benefits, which we believe reflect compensation best practices.''

The New York-based bank said it will also adhere to constraints on executive pay imposed under TARP. Spokespeople for the other firms targeted by Waxman and Cuomo either declined to comment yesterday or said they will cooperate with the inquiries.

`Serious Exodus'

McCain, Obama's Republican opponent, told supporters in Miami yesterday that ``I'm going to make sure we take care of the working people who were devastated by the excesses, greed and corruption of Wall Street and Washington.''

Joseph, the former Drexel CEO, said companies that don't pay bonuses risk losing employees who are unwilling to settle for salaries. Salaries in the industry range from about $80,000 to $600,000 a year.

``A lot of guys wouldn't want to work this hard just for salaries,'' he said. ``You'd have a serious exodus from the business by a lot of really talented people -- they'd become CFOs of companies, go to firms that didn't participate in the TARP program, go to hedge funds, or start hedge funds.''

Gutfreund, the former Salomon CEO, said Wall Street executives are likely to find ways to pay bonuses and manage the political uproar.

``I'm sure there are creative ways,'' he said. ``There are all kinds of devices to cover yourself in terms of paying people.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Christine Harper in New York at charper@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: October 30, 2008 00:01 EDT



To: bentway who wrote (161216)10/30/2008 12:09:35 PM
From: SnowshoeRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
Hey, I feel dumb and dumber! A few years ago I turned down a sales pitch to buy Fannie Mae bonds because I didn't trust them, and instead I bought US treasuries yielding a lower interest rate. So this year the government finally guarantees Fannie's junk. Why did I listen to all the Cassandras on threads like this? The government guarantees everything now! <g>



To: bentway who wrote (161216)10/30/2008 1:46:31 PM
From: PerspectiveRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
So is it time to get as many credit cards as I can and max 'em out, and just stop paying? WTF would they do? Ruin my credit rating? LOL! I don't NEED credit; I've been shorting their stocks.

Seriously, WTF would they do to someone who didn't give a damn about their credit rating, who just ran up the cards and told 'em to GFY?

If we're gonna bail out the idiots, I want a piece of that, too.

`BC