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To: DMaA who wrote (93207)	11/3/2008 8:36:53 AM
From: Poet	Respond to of 541371

deleted. Not worth the time.

To: DMaA who wrote (93207)	11/3/2008 8:38:40 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541371

I'm sure he thinks he DID produce it. You obviously want him to hand deliver a copy to you. Not going to happen, and it's irrational to expect that. If you read this carefully, and I suggest you do, you will see the issue has been put to bed for everyone but the diehards. Perhaps you are one of them. Since you aren't ever going to vote for Obama anyway, why should he care what you think? So my answer to you about why he won't produce an actual birth certificate and mail it to you is "What's the point?" Everyone who matters gets that the issue is dead. The only folks in your camp are not worth persuading, since 1. they'd either see any attempts to release documents as "new" forgeries or 2. they'd just go on to another weird exercise in getting Obama. "On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true. When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real. “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us. Then the firestorm started. • Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature? • Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different. • Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.) • There’s no crease from being folded and mailed. • It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud. • • • At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents. When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions. And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here? Because if this document is forged, then they all are. If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies. Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel." ................................ So let me ask YOU a question. What's in it for Obama to convince you his birth certificate is real? You clearly aren't going to vote for him, and I doubt holding his birth certificate in your hand is going to make you feel any better about him. So let's see if you can explain to me why we, or Obama, should care about people who still think his birth certificate isn't real. I've never seen anyone successfully address that point- but go ahead, explain.