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To: snowman49 who wrote (99379)	11/3/2008 3:46:00 PM
From: MoneyPenny	Respond to of 110194

Good sales people are hard to find. I imagine the really good car salespeople have either retired or have found something else to sell...or I guess they could be realtors (G). MP

To: snowman49 who wrote (99379)	11/3/2008 4:02:42 PM
From: benwood	4 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 110194

I bought a Mazda Navajo instead of a Ford Explorer because the Ford salesmen were pricks -- all men, all interested ONLY if I'd buy right that second. When I said that I was looking today with a plan to buy within two weeks, they all literally turned their backs and walked away. I couldn't believe the difference at the Mazda dealership up the street a couple blocks where they just poked heads out of offices and said to have fun looking around and let them know what I needed. I'm sure it varies considerably by dealership, but I think in general, there is too large a premium placed on short term thinkers, like the next two hours. My favorite car buying moment ever was when two dealers lied to my dad (I was helping him out) about another party very interested in the car we were looking at, making a reference to what they'd seen on the "big board" and I poked my head into the car we were looking at, noted the mileage (my dad got the number the day before) and then told them, "Those other people can't be that interested..." They froze and asked, "What do you mean?" I replied, "They haven't even driven the car 1 mile yet..." And they looked a tad sheepish and slinked inside. I despise those salespeople so much that my 1998 purchase was done by FAX and my Dec '07 purchase from Toyota was agreed upon by e-mail, only $500 over dealer cost. I probably could do even better today.

To: snowman49 who wrote (99379)	11/3/2008 4:10:33 PM
From: benwood	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

OT: Snowman49, your amazing brevity this past decade reminds of of a joke: A young man decided to become a monk. He joined the local monastery to be initiated into the spiritual life. As part of his training he was told he must live in one room, with one meal a day in complete silence. Every six months he was allowed out of the room and could say three words. After the first six months the man was let out of the room and taken to the Abbot, who asked, "Do you have anything to say?" "Bed too hard." "Ok," said the Abbot, "we will see what we can do." Six months later the man was let out of the room again and taken to see the Abbot. "Do you have anything to say?" asked the Abbot. "Room too cold." "Ok," said the Abbot, "we will see what we can do." Another six months passes and the man was let out of the room again, and the Abbot asked him if he had anything to say. "Not enough food." "Ok," said the Abbot, "we will see what we can do." After another six months the man came out of his room and the Abbot said to him, "I am sorry but you have failed to become a monk". "But why?" asked the man. The Abbot replied, "You complain too much."