To: TimF who wrote (145235 ) 11/5/2008 9:13:57 PM From: geode00 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976 Now you are either lying or showing your inability to comprehend posts. "Fruits and vegetables do not receive direct price support and may be one reason why our current production does not meet the dietary recommendations. The government supports fruits and vegetables by being the largest purchaser through various government programs, including school lunch programs, Head Start, Child and Adult Care Food Program, Older Americans Act Nutrition Programs, the Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Program in schools, the Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) and Senior Farmers Market programs, and, if approved, the expansion of the WIC program to include fresh fruits and vegetables. While not yet appropriated, the Access to Local Foods and School Gardens legislation would support purchases by schools from local farmers. Given that the government is one of the largest purchasers of fruits and vegetables and the need to develop innovative methods for supporting farmers to grow more of these crops, dietitians should be aware of programs in the Farm Bill that support production. In the current Farm Bill, unless farmers receiving federal funds have previously grown fruits and vegetables, they are not permitted to convert to these crops. This limits production, keeps prices of fruits and vegetables higher, and means there is not enough to meet the Dietary Guidelines. But this is changing. Imported fruits and vegetables are increasing at a rapid rate. This year, for example, more garlic imported from China will be sold in the United States than California produces. Farmers of fruits and vegetables (also known as specialty crops) are asking for help, not in direct support but for more money for marketing, research, and conservation." We have a crisis in the lack of consumption of leafy greens. As I keep telling you and you keep ignoring, I don't like support for corn. Go argue with yourself on this issue as you don't seem to know very much about this subject either. You complain, complain, complain but you have no facts or figures to support any of your complaints. --------------- The 'market' is a theory. In the real world, markets exist because governments exist they go together. Government control of what is domination? You don't think corporate control can be domination as well? It's laughable that the right wing is trying to blame the government for the ridiculous activities of investment bankers. So well-educated, well-financed, professional investment bankers are wandering around wall street saying that mommie government made me do it? Do you people take any responsibility for anything? You conflate wealth creation with most of the wealth going to a tiny number of people or organizations. Wealth creation exists most stably when it occurs throughout the economy. What do you mean by taxing investment heavily? At what rate does that occur and why? You keep making things up and thinking that just because you think it, it must be so. That's just silly. You keep thinking about taxation as the evil of evils when it is simply a way to collect resources from individuals to be used collectively...big deal. It can be done well or done badly but taxes in and of themselves are not evil. A zero tax rate is nonsense, a 100% tax rate is nonsense as well. Somewhere in between is a rational tax structure for life as we know it today. What that is should be based on facts and not opinions.