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To: carranza2 who wrote (278552)	11/4/2008 1:38:22 PM
From: D. Long	1 Recommendation Respond to of 793818

No, they are perceived as hypocrites [though of course not all are] because they are often holier than thou yet fail in their 'holiness.' "Fail" being the operative word. A hypocrite is one who preaches one standard but lives by another. That's different than one who holds a single standard, but fails to live up to that standard because of human frailty. I think the party could use some distancing from evangelicals, but not for any reasons the Democrats put forth. Why are Republicans always jumping to apologize for Democrats' criticisms of the Republican party, like we're the ugly kid trying to be cool? That's one of the reasons McCain might lose this election.

To: carranza2 who wrote (278552)	11/4/2008 2:34:04 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 793818

"Holier than thou" is a (usually) false stereotype designed to put people down. But because they have money, are extremely well organized and can control large blocks of votes, .... Yeah, who needs stuff like that in politics, let's tell 'em to take their votes and go away. BTW, it ain't the money they've got, its the votes. An essay I posted earlier mentioned three legs of conservatism. Which I'll label: strong national defense conservatives free market economic conservatives traditional values social conservatives. Reagan appealed to all three and conservatives need all three to win. And the country needs the influence of all three to prosper. Thats my opinion.

To: carranza2 who wrote (278552)	11/4/2008 5:58:56 PM
From: TimF	11 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793818

I see a GOP renewal after the elections, a realization that it has to go to center a bit more if it wishes to be successful in the future. What would going to the center a bit more mean? Spend more? Bush spent money hand over fist. Tax more? That's a stupid game for the GOP to play. Not only is it bad for the country, its also an area where we can't win votes. People who want higher taxes vote for Democrats. As for social/religious conservatism, the GOP has done almost nothing to move in that direction. Except for not invading Iraq again... what center is there to move to, that would really be moving towards the center, and that would really pick up votes in substantial numbers? I don't see any. The problem with the GOP is more about not living up to its principles, than it is about being extreme. And really the problem with the election isn't a problem with the GOP so much as it is Bush's unpopularity, combined with economic pessimism.