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To: Lane3 who wrote (94301)	11/6/2008 10:09:22 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541735

We've all been mislabled. Some people labor under the delusion that we all think we're centrists. You just have to keep labeling yourself for others. Of course that doesn't mean they'll believe you if the evidence doesn't support your self chosen label- or in comes cases, even if it does- because not all people are seeing the world in the same way.

To: Lane3 who wrote (94301)	11/6/2008 10:14:53 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541735

True, I have had the same problem, and I think I am very centrist, and was definitely never a fiscal liberal. I don't think you are considered partisan here, do you really? You are not an ideologue in any way. That makes a huge difference. And that is why when you go after emerging memes on the thread, people are willing to examine it with you and argue their reasoning. That's a good thing. If people get mad at you elsewhere, it's often because they haven't a great defense for particular beliefs, or haven't thought deeply enough. And if ideologues post here and get confronted that way, they end up feeling attacked rather than engaged. I never was offended when you pointed out my obsessive dislike of Palin. Hahahahaaaaaaaaaa, I mentioned her again!

To: Lane3 who wrote (94301)	11/6/2008 10:54:53 AM
From: thames_sider	Respond to of 541735

It's also relative, though. Compared to the majority at PfP you probably ARE a flaming liberal. :-) Here you're somewhat more conservative on most issues than the norm...

To: Lane3 who wrote (94301)	11/6/2008 12:01:54 PM
From: spiral3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541735

Hi Karen, Not to flog an old horse or anything but wrt to the “utilitarian” process you perceived between you and your ex, I thought that you might find this interesting – perhaps the rationale you were looking for. Tuning in to unconscious communication MIT researchers discover revealing clues in conversations David Chandler, MIT News Office?October 21, 2008 What you say in a conversation -- whether it's on a first date, a job interview or pitching an idea -- may be less important than how you say it. But the cues that may decide the outcome can be so subtle that neither person in the conversation is consciously aware of them. <snip> The strong correlations between unconscious forms of communication and the decisions that result strongly undermines people's perception that they are making choices based on rational, conscious factors, Pentland says. "My data shows that's simply not true." By understanding and measuring factors that people are usually unaware of, he says, "I view it as putting human nature back into our social fabric." </snip> web.mit.edu

To: Lane3 who wrote (94301)	11/6/2008 12:08:14 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541735

I tend to question partisan memes and partisans always assume that anyone who questions them is a partisan troll from the other side. Just a quick marker. I've never liked the notion that some folk are partisan (unless they are clearly ideologically so) and some are not, in a binary in which partisan is bad, not-partisan is good. I've always preferred the notion you've said about yourself that you are a libertarian. We all have fairly strong convictions about the direction the country's politics should take. Period.