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To: Rambi who wrote (94579)	11/7/2008 1:17:35 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541419

But when you say that this is because, according to some religious beliefs, homosexuality is a sin, then personal belief is being imposed on everyone's life- something I think Lane wrote excellently about earlier today. I don't disagree with this post, and I wasn't offended by the Mormon statement. I also agree that Lane wrote a beautiful response to Neeka. What I think, though, is often missing is that when we are accused of trying to impose our beliefs on everyone's life is this is also taking place on the other side. Isn't a proposition like Prop 8 at it's core an effort by a group of people to impose their belief that the definition of marriage be expanded? It seems to me that we have dueling belief systems with EACH side trying to impose their definition of certain moral issues on the other.

To: Rambi who wrote (94579)	11/7/2008 5:38:19 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541419

If one believes that one is born in sin which is in the Bible and if Leviticus is right and man should not lie with man I see these as religious arguments against homosexuality etc. But when one is born with a predetermined sexual persuasion how can a person of faith go against that. To me it's as though the Bible said all children who are Down babies, autistic etc. are condemned. And homosexuals are in that group. When the religions awake to the fact that these are not chosen behaviors anymore than one choose to be heterosexual, then perhaps we will have a broader more tolerant sense that religion does not answer everything. It's always amazed me that the perception the religious have is that one choose to be gay. AND that it can be spread with education like it is contagious. I always am amused when people say the gay agenda. What is the heterosexual agenda ? IF one had a choice, living in the society in which we do, who in their right mind would make a choice to be anything other than meeting the expectations of society... A poor autistic child does not choose it. A mentally retarded child does not choose to be that. These are not choices....