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To: Brumar89 who wrote (146361)11/7/2008 7:21:03 PM
From: Land Shark  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 173976
 
Terrible!!!!! They want EQUAL rights!!!! How dare they!



To: Brumar89 who wrote (146361)11/7/2008 7:33:31 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 173976
 
rofl Brumar. I suggest the anti gay marriage use this specific little clip from that bigoted article to drum up support for their cause.

It’s pretty clear that the homosexual movement’s obsession with marriage is not because large numbers of them actually want to marry each other. Research shows that homosexual relationships are fundamentally dysfunctional on many levels, and “marriage” as we know it isn’t something they can achieve, or even desire.

Its such an incredibly offensive POV that it will surely drive away any moderates who were leaning towards anti gay marriage back to the pro side. Sheesh.



To: Brumar89 who wrote (146361)11/7/2008 7:35:45 PM
From: Kevin Rose  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 173976
 
I believe you have the definition of 'right' and 'privilege' confused. For example:

Driving is a privilege. Freedom of religion is a right.

Poor choices while driving will cause you to lose your license.
Poor moral choices will not affect your ability to practice the religion of your choice.

Similarly, marriage is a right that cannot be taken away because of past behavior. If it could, 90% of Hollywood would not be able to get a marriage license.

Since marriage IS a right, the right to marry cannot be withheld arbitrarily. To wit, because of the 14th amendment, it cannot be available to one group and not another.

Marriage is NOT a privilege extended by law to an institution optimally designed for forming families in which children can be born and raised. It is a union between two individuals, regardless of their desire or ability to procreate. Legally, it extends certain rights - not privileges - to the participants. Some of these rights are available ONLY if the participants are legally married.

As far as Christianity, what I was taught as a Catholic was that it is up to God to judge, not us. It is not up to Christians to point out the sins of others, only to offer guidance and assistance to those tempted by or fallen into sin. Specifically, Christians are not supposed to support punitive measures towards moral sinners - i.e. cast stones.

What bothers me most about these wedge issues is that the people most affected by them are not the stone casters, but the targets of the stones. Seems very unChristian to me to spend so much time and energy with the end result being so hurtful. Whether two people that you never will know are married and spend their lives together should not be such a big issue for supposedly tolerant Christians.

Now, if someone came to their door and tried to convert them to their POV, that might be different...oops, I guess that's called proselytizing...



To: Brumar89 who wrote (146361)11/7/2008 9:48:31 PM
From: J_F_Shepard  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
Why do you care?? Don't you have more important issues like the HS dropout rate to worry about?



To: Brumar89 who wrote (146361)11/8/2008 8:05:30 AM
From: cirrus  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
I followed the first two paragraphs of your post before drifting away... and lost the logic completely here:

Gay marriage is a wedge issue designed to give secular leftists, gay activists, cultural deconstructionists a club to persecute Christians and Christianity and impose non-religious values on children, churches and individual Christians.

I fail to understand how two guys (or two women) getting married is a threat to my marriage, my kids or my values.

I also fail to understand why conservatives, who claim to want LESS government, LESS government intrusion in peoples lives, are all gung ho about intruding into the affairs of gays. Aren't there more important issues with which to concern ourselves?