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To: biotech_bull who wrote (94948)	11/9/2008 9:32:47 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541851

But if you think about it, gays have not been out of the closet for so very long. The country needed 200+ years to get to the point where it could elect a mixed race person. I like to think it will take a fraction of that time for people to become that comfortable with gay people. It's really only been since the 70's that gay people even HAD a movement to join, and even in the 70's most gay people hid in their closets- and for very good reason. So considering how short the time has been, I'm hopeful. The vote was very close- and next time, perhaps the correct decision will be made, and people will allow their neighbors to live, and love, and marry as they wish to- and not use the state to dictate who people marry. Because really, in the end, America usually ends up being fair- and the fair thing to do is NOT to inflict one religious view on everyone, it is to allow everyone to find their own way. It is especially weird to us, who are not religious, to imagine some invisible unprovable and apparently rather illogical force dictating what is right or wrong, and having that wind up in our laws, but I have to believe that with the passage of time even if religion doesn't stop trying to inflict itself upon us via the state, at least a good solid majority will say "No" to the attempts.

To: biotech_bull who wrote (94948)	11/9/2008 10:58:27 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 541851

BB, recall the campaign days of Bush Jr. in 2000. He was very clear that he would not want the US to be the world's policeman. He ended being one. So I am waiting to see how Obama will do. Unlike Bush, he looks very promising to the world community. There is a deep gorge between Bush's knowledge and experience with the world in 2000 and Obama's experience with the international community as he rolls into the WH. And this difference in their experiences, will I hope, help Obama to untangle the mess Bush is leaving behind. But you never know. So I am keeping my fingers crossed and "will cling to my guns and religion" until Obama shows me something.