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To: geode00 who wrote (146938)	11/12/2008 5:03:04 PM
From: one_less	1 Recommendation Respond to of 173976

"Why does the idea of civil rights not apply to gays and lesbians? " It does. I agree that adult committed partners, living a carnal lifestyle, should not be descriminated against because of other identifying features and that the law should ensure the equal treatment with regards to legal issues like hospital visitations, insurance, inheritance etc. It appears that the effort is being made to position 'civil unions' and 'marriage' as equal in the eyes of the law, while different in how they identify the relationship. Marriage is a term. A rose is a rose, by any other name, it is still a rose. A tulip however is not a rose. As flowers, roses and tulips have many similarities but we don't deny the rose it's distinction in the system of classification of things, nor do we deny the tulip. The term marriage has been used historically to classify a certain type of human relationship which, although quite similar to many other human relationships, is not identical to gay and lesbian relationships. Why do you insist upon denying the people who are traditionally classified as 'Married' their distinction in our system of classifying things? Are you suggesting they do not have that right?

To: geode00 who wrote (146938)	11/12/2008 5:28:28 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

How come gays are calling blacks the N word and you libs say nothing about it?

To: geode00 who wrote (146938)	11/12/2008 6:54:56 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

Everyone has civil rights. Its just that marriage to a member of the same sex isn't a right. What gay activists are you talking about? The kind that come into schools to "educate" kids about gay sex and other issues. What about getting rid of religious activists around children? They're not allowed in schools. no one is going to turn a child 'gay' or 'lesbian' I'm not so sure. Certainly homosexual pedophiles are. I do not see any group that is more hysterical about sex than the religious right wing. Look in the mirror. Same sex marriage is being treated like the major human rights issue in the world. Even though the vast majority of gay people never intend to marry. Strange obsession. You guys are obsessed with sex. Get over it. Constantly thinking about other people having sex isn't healthy. The same sex marriage issue has nothing to do with gay sex, which is legal everywhere in the US. And no one is campaigning to change that. You're imagining things ... possibly projecting. Heh. "then I can foresee the loss of our religious liberties and our freedom of conscience" Baloney. What you are talking about are services openly offered to the public but not to the ENTIRE public. Christian doctors, photographers, churches claiming tax exemptions, etc. used to refuse service to blacks and other minorities. I think doctors always treated black people. Ditto photographers. Lots of churches were never segregated. But your (and other SI liberals) admitting you want the government to punish doctors, photographers, churches, and probably many other individuals and groups for not being PC about same sex marriage confirms that our religious liberty and freedom of conscience are threatened. Ironic that you don't see you are personally confirming the things I've said. What if an airline wanted to refuse service to all Swedish Americans because it thought Swedish Americans were less than human. False analogy. I'm going to ignore your other false analogies and irrelevant issues. Most people do not have a power of attorney. But anyone can fill one out - you can print one off the internet. Its not an insufferable burden. Plenty of people use them and not just gay couples. Being a spouse allows you to pass on your estate to each other without taxation. Being a spouse gives you privileges with employers such as shared health insurance. So if anyone can marry anyone, children can marry their surviving parent and no one will ever have to pay estate tax again. Great. Some companies extend health insurance to domestic partners. You cannot willy nilly go and visit people in hospitals. I've never heard of hospital visitations being limited to spouses or close blood relatives. I've visited people in hospitals I wasn't related to. I think this is a false issue. I can evewn recall hearing a gay person years ago mentioning they went to such and such a hospital to visit a friend, whom I presume was also gay. No problem. That would have been in the 1980's. I know some states have made laws addressing the subject. Which is fine. Not the only meaningless laws on the books. "Denying gay marriage is not hateful, doesn't deny any one rights, and isn't hurtful." Yes, you are saying to some people that they have fewer rights than others. You are doing much harm to them and, especially, to the young who are watching this play out around them. It is a cruel thing to do. No, its not. Not anymore than not allowing polygamy injures anyone or is hateful towards anyone. The hysteria of the left on these issues is amazing. There are slaves in Africa, children dying of malaria needlessly, children working in factories, people forced to have abortions in China and the left obsesses over whether gay couples can marry. Unreal. Muslims and even those whacked out Mormons are not denied the ability to MARRY or engage in civil unions. They are denied the ability to MARRY more than one person at a time which is considered bigamy. But the point is they're denied something they presumably want. And in the case of gay people, you are claiming denying them something they want is a horrible sin against ... well, the liberal god. Everyone is denied the ability to commit bigamy. And everyone is denied the right to marry a member of the same sex. Why aren't you folks pushing for civil unions? They meet less objection but the left and gay activists doesn't seem to be interested.