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To: TH who wrote (99712)	11/19/2008 12:31:39 PM
From: LTK007	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 110194

i post this you TH as i know you know GM far far better than me, so you possibly will want to defend their management, but somehow i don't think you do-- i maybe wrong though:) i think F and GM getting trampled again for as they give testimony it becomes extremely apparent the money they need is just to pay bills, and those bills to be paid will still be their after they burn through the 50 billion in cash. The bailout is looking like a MONEY PIT, that will have them in a year say give us more give us more. This bail-out seems like trying to Bail Out the Titannic, to keep it from sinking. However way you look at this, it is BAD, no matter what you do or don't do. Ford may have a chance, but GM looks utterly hopeless. The management sems to be a bunch of bureacrat non-visoinaries that made bad decision after bad decision because they could see beyong the paper bags they had pulled over their heads. So people say Bail-Out is big mistake, letting GM go into Chapter 11 is a big mistake, well guess what this is a classic FUBAR status, which means There Is NO Solution Max p.s. FUBAR is great word and should be recognized as a classic new word that entererd our language basically because of the 'Nam War. There are to definings, i prefer firmly the definition of Fuck Up Beyond Repair.

To: TH who wrote (99712)	11/20/2008 12:59:14 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 110194

TH, This is an example of how this bullshit dollar rally is actually costing real jobs in the USA. Those jobs are desperately needed now and could help with our trade imbalance. You're certainly correct with regard to manufacturing, but a strong dollar does seem to mitigate the trade deficit related to energy imports, a not inconsequential amount. I can understand your hesitation with regard on commenting on the "bailout". I find myself a bit disappointed that it doesn't seem to deal with the most serious aspect of these market turmoil, namely the unregulated CDS markets and how they have been used to manipulate the underlying bond markets. The underpinning of any financial system, IMO, is risk mitigation (financial surety, insurance and re-insurance). The second most important is demand, which prevents deflation of asset prices. Bankers won't lend when they can't mitigate their risks no matter how much cash they have. And consumers and/or investors (assuming they have cash on the sidelines) won't buy discretionary items or assets while they expect future deflation in those asset prices. Hawk