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To: Larry Loeb who wrote (37276)	10/22/1997 4:42:00 PM
From: JPR	Respond to of 186894

OTOTOT <<Maybe I was thinking of the story involving Churchill when a woman approached him saying: "You're drunk" and his response was something like "Yes madam, and you are ugly, but in the morning I will be sober again.">> Solace to the Uglies of the world: Since our persons are not of our own making, when they are such as appear defective or uncomely, it is, methinks, an honest and laudable fortitude to dare to be ugly. Richard Steele, The Spectator 1711-12 Dare to be ugly or Dare to be drunk Dare to wear his or her ugly genes or Dare to be a skunk The drunken skunk has a choice The ugly pugly has no choice Pugly = nonsense word No value judgements implied. Paul

To: Larry Loeb who wrote (37276)	10/23/1997 5:02:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 186894

OFF TOPIC RE: drunk and ugly Larry, I don't want to start a dictionary of misattributions, but this old chestnut is better in the version where the drunk accosts Mrs. Roosevelt. In both versions, aside from the highly unlikely rudeness of both Sir Winston and Mrs. Roosevelt, there is the problem of who would report the story. I can't imagine that either of these famous people admitting making these insulting remarks, and the unnamed lady and man would hardly have bragged about their own rudeness. There are several treasuries of insults and invective available, and perhaps SI might well provide them to its members as membership premiums. The vituperation has become a little too ladylike for my taste.