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To: mishedlo who wrote (90633)11/20/2008 5:47:08 PM
From: Bill on the Hill1 Recommendation  Respond to of 116555
 
Lot of the shorts on CITI are buyers here........

What good will a ban do at this level? CITI boys are blameless? More like shameless.

CITI is a penny.



To: mishedlo who wrote (90633)11/20/2008 8:22:22 PM
From: Sea Otter  Respond to of 116555
 
Fear stalks the world (and it looks like Mish was right):

ft.com



To: mishedlo who wrote (90633)11/20/2008 9:53:37 PM
From: John McCarthy  Respond to of 116555
 
China Money: Market gears up for deflation
Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:39am E

By Karen Yeung

SHANGHAI, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Months after coping with the highest inflation in more than a decade, China's money market is gearing up for a fresh shock: deflation.

The risk of consumer price inflation turning negative early next year looks set to leave the market awash with idle funds, crush the upward slope of China's bill curve, and push banks into buying bills at yields below their market funding costs.

"Market expectations for aggressive monetary easing will strengthen even further because of serious deflation in producer prices early next year.

Deflation could have a bigger impact on the economy than inflation," said Xing Ziqiang, analyst at investment bank China International Capital Corp (CICC).

Early this year, talk of deflation in China would have seemed absurd. Consumer price inflation hit a 12-year high of 8.7 percent in February, propelled by rapid economic growth and surging global prices of oil and other commodities.

But the global economic crisis has reversed the trend.

Chinese inflation tumbled to a 17-month low of 4.0 percent in October and is expected to keep falling; CICC predicts inflation of just 1 percent early next year and says it could turn negative, depending on movements in food prices.

Deputy central bank governor Yi Gang said last week that the focus of both monetary and fiscal policy next year would be to avert the threat of deflation.

FALLING PRICES

China is no stranger to deflation; consumer prices fell 0.8 percent in 2002, 1.4 percent in 1999 and 0.8 percent in 1998.

But more is at stake for the money market this time.

Rapid growth of the banking system, reforms such as the introduction of interest rate derivatives, and rising debt issuance have boosted trading volume in the interbank bond repurchase market more than fivefold since 2002.

Bill market trading over the past few days suggests banks have actively started preparing for the possibility of deflation.

The indicative secondary market yield on the central bank's one-year bills <CN1YNFIX=R> slid to a 29-month low of 2.3290 percent on Monday, for a drop of 67 basis points since the start of this month, Reuters Reference Rates show.

That brought it well below the seven-day bond repurchase rate <CN7DRP=CFXS>, a key funding rate for banks, of 2.70 percent -- showing some banks have abandoned their traditional yardsticks for gauging the value of bills, as expectations for further falls in bill yields make them desperate to buy at current levels.

Over the previous two years, the one-year bill yield had generally stayed about 100 bps above the seven-day repo rate, except during brief funding squeezes caused by large initial public offers of equity.

"Traders are eager to buy safe-haven central bank bills, even if that means accepting lower yields than repo rates, because they're pricing in deflation," said a trader at a European bank in Shanghai, who declined to be named because he was not authorised to speak publicly to media.

In the last few weeks, China's central bank has followed its overseas counterparts by injecting large amounts of funds into the money market, as it seeks to encourage banks to lend to companies, ease jitters over counterparty risk, and prepare the market to absorb big bond issues that are expected to fund the country's economic stimulus package. Continued...

The central bank has started to auction its three-month and one-year bills on alternate weeks, rather than every week, in order to inject more liquidity. Some traders think it could soon halt bill issues entirely, which could accelerate banks' scramble to buy scarce bills from the secondary market.

FALLING RATES

Traders don't think China's central bank will go nearly as far as the Bank of Japan did in fighting deflation early this decade, when short-term Japanese interbank lending rates were effectively brought down to zero.

China didn't resort to zero rates during its previous periods of deflation, and after this month's announcement of a nearly $600 billion economic stimulus package for the next two years, it is clearly counting on fiscal policy to support growth.

But traders see ample room for yields to fall further as China continues a monetary easing cycle that began in September.

The trader at the European bank predicted the one-year bill yield would fall to 2.0 percent by the end of this year, with the seven-day repo rate sinking to 2.4-2.5 percent.

Further falls will become likely, with the negative spread between the two rates widening further, if deflation does materialise, he said.

With the market flooded by money and new bill issues suspended, the bill curve out to one year could become almost perfectly flat, some traders think.

The spread between one-month <CN1MNFIX=R> and one-year bills has already narrowed to 13 bps, from around 80 bps in the first half of this year.

Bank of China forecasts the central bank will cut commercial banks' benchmark one-year deposit rate, now at 3.60 percent, to 2.52 percent by next June and 1.98-2.25 percent by end-2009.

A cut to 1.98 percent would bring the deposit rate down to its level in 2002, when China last experienced deflation. LINKS: > What is deflation and why is it feared? [ID:nLC189230] (Editing by Andrew Torchia)

reuters.com

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New Threat to China: Deflation INSIDE THE MARKETS
Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:59 AM

(Source: International Herald Tribune)By Karen Yeung
Months after coping with the highest inflation in more than a decade, China's money market is gearing up for a fresh shock: deflation.

The risk of consumer price inflation turning negative early next year is likely to leave the market awash in idle funds and push banks into buying bills at yields below their market funding costs.

"Market expectations for aggressive monetary easing will strengthen even further because of serious deflation in producer prices early next year," said Xing Ziqiang, analyst at the investment bank China International Capital. "Deflation could have a bigger impact on the economy than inflation."

Early this year, talk of deflation in China would have seemed absurd. Consumer price inflation hit a 12-year high of 8.7 percent in February, propelled by rapid economic growth and surging global prices of oil and other commodities. But the global economic crisis has reversed the trend.

The deputy central bank governor, Yi Gang, said last week that the focus of both monetary and fiscal policy next year would be to avert the threat of deflation.

China is no stranger to deflation; consumer prices fell 0.8 percent in 2002, 1.4 percent in 1999 and 0.8 percent in 1998. But more is at stake for the money market this time. The rapid growth of the banking system, reforms like the introduction of interest rate derivatives and rising debt issuance have lifted trading volume in the interbank bond repurchase market more than fivefold since 2002.

Bill market trading over the past few days suggests that banks have actively started preparing for the possibility of deflation.

The indicative secondary market yield on the central bank's one- year bills slid to a 29-month low of 2.3290 percent Monday, for a drop of 67 basis points since the start of this month, Reuters Reference Rates show.

That brought it well below the seven-day bond repurchase rate, a major funding rate for banks, of 2.70 percent. This shows that some banks have abandoned their traditional yardsticks for gauging the value of bills, as expectations for further falls in bill yields make them desperate to buy at current levels.

Traders don't think China's central bank will go nearly as far as the Bank of Japan did in fighting deflation early in this decade, when short-term Japanese interbank lending rates were effectively reduced to zero.

China didn't resort to zero rates during its previous periods of deflation, and after the announcement this month of a nearly $600 billion economic stimulus package for the next two years, it is clearly counting on fiscal policy to support growth.

But traders see ample room for yields to fall further as China continues a monetary easing cycle that began in September.

The commercial banks' benchmark one-year deposit rate is now at 3.60 percent. A cut to 1.98 percent, the low end of a forecast from the Bank of China for the end of 2009, would bring it down to its level in 2002, when China last experienced deflation.

Originally published by Reuters.

(c) 2008 International Herald Tribune. Provided by ProQuest LLC. All rights Reserved.

A service of YellowBrix, Inc.

istockanalyst.com

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TALKING HEADS (AUSSIE) DO NOT THINK
CHINA CAN DO 8% GROWTH NEXT YEAR AND
PEOPLE ARE ALREADY LEAVING CITY
AND BACK TO "HINTERLAND"
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To: mishedlo who wrote (90633)11/20/2008 10:38:16 PM
From: marcher  Respond to of 116555
 
oh, how i would love to know how much investment banks made on the short-sell ban. think, maybe, they got inside info so they could position trades before the general market?

short sell ban = the new ppt economy...



To: mishedlo who wrote (90633)11/21/2008 1:31:52 AM
From: John Pitera3 Recommendations  Respond to of 116555
 
Hi Mish, I remember when Citi was the world's premier banking franchise... operations in 80 countries, John Reed was the techno wiz and the successor to Walter Wriston, Reed was the Jaime Dimon of his day.

Now Citi is down to a 20 billion market cap after having a 200 billion market capitalization last year....When the SIV's created by a small group of 30 people in a unit in London would obliterate the rest of it's market cap.... there is going to be big time consternation when the last of the two major NYC money center banks in NY needs a shootgun wedding to survive into Thanksgivings weeks trading.

In the 1970's you had Citi, Chase, Manufactures Hanvover, Chemical Bank, Banker's Trust and maybe Bank of New York and they were they biggest share holders in the Federal Reserve System.

Citibank has a lineage that goes all the way back to 1812 and it was the Stillman bank and John D Rockefeller's brother William's bank that was one of the main respositories of the Big Standard Oil money, when Stillman's daughters married William Rockefellers sons it really integrated the Rockefellers, the Stillman's and Created the huge concentration of influence and ownership that propelled The first Nation Citi Bank (CitiBank) as well as the Chase Bank that then merged with the Manhattan Bank).

He is considered to have been one of the 100 wealthiest Americans, having left an enormous fortune.[1] His oldest son James Alexander Stillman also served as president of National City Bank of New York. Stillman was related to even greater wealth by marriage; his two daughters (Sarah Elizabeth Stillman and Isabel Goodrich Stillman) married the sons (William Goodsell Rockefeller and Percy Avery Rockefeller respectively) of business associate and friend, and senior executive of Standard Oil William Rockefeller. His grandson James Stillman Rockefeller served as president of National City from 1952 to 1959 and chairman from 1959 to 1967.

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Manny Hanny was bought by the Chemical bank.... which then was bought by Chase.. although the newspapers ... portrayed it as the other way around......................and then Chase brought JPM into the fold.

Deutsche Bank picked up Banker's Trust... which had Benjamin Strong as the most powerful head of the FED in the 1920's, and also had an interwound relationship with JP Morgan.... Bankers Trust has had some of the stongest traders for years and that probably explains why They are very possibly the world's biggest FX clearinghouse. ( in 1987 they had an FX trader, Andy Krieger, who booked 300 million in FX profits... some of which was long dated FX and option related..especially the NZD and AUD; his compensation was widely debated in the WSJ etc since those where pretty outsized gains in trading)...

anyway, Mr Strong was FED Head in the 1920's and ............

His policy of maintaining price levels during the 1920s through the open market purchase of securities, and his willingness to maintain the liquidity of banks during panics, have been praised by monetarists and harshly criticized by Austrians.[citation needed]

Strong was also involved in the establishment of the Federal Reserve System. After the panics of the 1890s, leading bankers believed a private central bank should be created to issue money. The public was adamantly opposed to the establishment of a central bank. Strong, who was Vice President of Banker’s Trust of New York, was JP Morgan's emissary to the secret Jekyll Island (Georgia) expedition in 1910—one of the selected members who stayed at the luxurious Jekyll Island Hunt Club retreat in November for a private ten-day conference. Also in attendance were Paul Warburg, a recent immigrant from a prominent German banking family who was a partner in the New York banking house of Kuhn, Loeb & Co.; Senator Nelson Aldrich (Nelson Rockefeller was named after Aldrich, his maternal grandfather); A. Piatt Andrew, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury and Special Assistant to the National Monetary Commission (the only other NMC member besides Aldrich); and other bankers including Frank Vanderlip, president of the National City Bank of New York; Henry P. Davison, senior partner of J.P. Morgan & Co.; and Charles D. Norton, president of the Morgan-dominated First National Bank of New York.


..........anyway.

Tough to see Citi Going away....it just can not go away... and thus the market's consternation as to what the hell is on their balance sheet. what it looks like and what type of actions we are going to need to stabilize the system.

.... the day the world ran out of money and the Central banks fell behind in creating more of it.....

good title for a book.

John