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To: i-node who wrote (436232)11/22/2008 12:45:38 PM
From: steve harris  Respond to of 1574002
 
UAW have the dems in their pocket

the unions are using the same playbook democrats have

the unions tell their employees how they can't stand on their own two feet without them, just like the dems telling their voters that they can't make it without their help

and with the failed education system telling the youth of today you can't make it without help from the govt, that the govt is god, I don't know when the system will collapse on itself

shouldn't be much longer

I don't know who will win, the socialist or Goldman Sachs
:)



To: i-node who wrote (436232)11/22/2008 12:48:22 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574002
 
I find it most arrogant and offensive that the UAW has essentially said FU in response to talk about concessions in exchange for a bailout.

Of course that's not what the UAW is saying. You need to stop watching Hannity so much.

While the libs argue they aren't the problem, it is clear they are. But even if you accept the premise that they aren't the ENTIRE problem, it is self-evident they are a significant portion of the problem.

It must be hard keeping true to your ideology. On the one hand you have unions which the current GOP hates because there are too many joe the plumbers in one place. And then you have mgmt spending like there is no tomorrow and buying 8 corporate jets. What's a partisan ideologue to do? Ultimately of course, you go for the corp. spendthrifts because they look more like you.......

These guys jobs are obviously on the line and they are still not willing to give up anything to keep working. I ran into an employee of Countrywide last night who is taking a 40% pay cut. Yet, unskilled UAW members think they should get out of this self-inflicted problem scott-free?

Like I said, you can't believe everything Hannity says.

F them. I don't give a crap. It is a shame, but I think the end of Detroit may be near, and I can only say they deserve it. Perhaps the liberals will learn from this blunder (although they seem to be very slow learners).

Uh.......I think the end of the GOP is near.



To: i-node who wrote (436232)11/22/2008 1:06:34 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574002
 
Inspite of the divisive efforts by the right, Americans are pulling together. Either be part of the solution or stay out of it.

Cuts beyond UAW's jobs bank seen

Workers: Auto executives must sacrifice, too

BY KATIE MERX and TIM HIGGINS • FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITERS • November 22, 2008

Concessions by the UAW on the jobs banks may help win support for federal loans to help Detroit's automakers survive the global credit crisis, but it would need to be part of a broad package of concessions from all levels of the companies, workers and analysts told the Free Press on Friday.

Dismantling the jobs bank is among many measures the automakers are actively discussing with the union as they hustle to prepare a plan to convince Congress to approve $25 billion in federal loans for the automakers, the Free Press reported exclusively Friday.

"It's not a bad idea that it's at least dawned on them that they have an image and public relations problem," said Harry Katz, dean of Cornell University's School of Industrial and Labor Relations. "But they're going to have to go much, much further and deeper."

Asked Friday if further UAW concessions would help pass a federal aid package for Detroit, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said: "I think everybody has to participate in ensuring the viability of the auto industry."

General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC all have reported spending operating funds faster than they collect them for the last several months as financial turmoil has pushed U.S. auto sales to their lowest level in 25 years. GM and Chrysler have said their cash reserves could fall below the level necessary for operations by the end of the year.

Congress asked the automakers to deliver plans by Dec. 2 that detail how much they need and how they would spend federal loan money. Several members of Congress said any plan should include sacrifice from all levels of the organizations.

The jobs bank, a much-maligned program under which laid-off autoworkers are paid long after their jobs are cut, is one of the sacrifices the UAW may make.

In one proposal that has been discussed, workers would get near-full pay for 18 months during a layoff period, but there would be no jobs bank program after that.

Perception is everything
A UAW spokesman declined to comment Friday.

UAW President Ron Gettelfinger, who joined the auto executives in testifying before Congress, bristled this week at the notion that the union hasn't given concessions on the program before.

Gettelfinger said there is a lack of appreciation for how the program has been scaled back to almost being gone.

Until the union's 2007 contract, workers could remain in the jobs banks for years. But under the new contract, the union conceded to tighter conditions, under which workers' jobs are protected by the jobs bank for just two years, and less if employees turn down transfers.

"Going back to the '07 negotiations," Gettelfinger said, "we took that language and stripped it down to where it's the mere shadow of what it used to be."

Asked Thursday if the UAW would be willing to give up such a provision as part of conditions for government aid, Gettelfinger said, "It's premature for me to answer a speculative question. ... Let's wait and see what they come down with."

The jobs bank may now be a minor program, but it stands tall as a symbol of excess and inefficiency to those outside Detroit, experts say. And for that reason, as much as any other, it may have to go, experts say.

"It seems like folks are getting paid for waiting. That doesn't seem to be following the American way of rugged individualism," said James Cashman, a management professor from the University of Alabama who spent several years working as a consultant for GM.

Jobs banks come from an era when automakers' manufacturing processes were being modernized to include technological improvements and the companies needed to win labor support for such innovations that seemingly would mean a loss of jobs.

"The jobs bank notion was created long ago with the idea of being a temporary location for people who were being displaced by upgrades in technology," Cashman said. "That whole premise seemed to have died long ago, and jobs banks have been, from the perspective of folks down here, kind of abused ever since."

Eye for an eye

UAW members say they have foregone increases in pay and benefits over the years in exchange for the job security provided by the jobs bank and would expect to see significant concessions in executive pay and from other constituencies if they are to give up that protection.

"People just think we're a bunch of overpaid autoworkers," said Mike Mitchell, 35, an assembly worker at GM's Fairfax Assembly in Kansas City, Kan. "If we're laid off for 12 months because we worked overtime for half a year and then had too many vehicles in inventory, who screwed up?"

If the automakers are going to be allowed to eliminate the long-held security of the jobs bank, he said, they better act more responsibly in their production plans and work steadily to produce vehicles.

They also better include significant executive sacrifice, he said.

"When they present the plan to Congress on Dec. 2," he said, "each party to this is going to have to make major concessions, or there's going to be a problem."


Contact KATIE MERX at 313-222-8762 or kmerx@freepress.com. Staff writers Justin Hyde and Brent Snavely contributed to this report.

freep.com



To: i-node who wrote (436232)11/22/2008 1:59:32 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574002
 
How big a pay cut are you taking Dave?